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SecretMagic
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:28 pm | |
| I'm still unsure about whether or not he is. But what makes you think he isn't? | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:29 pm | |
| what makes you think he is ? | |
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SecretMagic
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:34 pm | |
| Well I'm not 100% sure he is in fact working with them, but it would make sense that the moment he's arrested and prevented from continuing his quest to make the Moroi a 'fighting race' the Strigoi leap up and suddenly group together. Perhaps they weren't aided by a Moroi member, that it was a coincidence and Victor just happened to be pushing Moroi to fight at the same time. But it's just that little bit suspicious. | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:00 pm | |
| hmm.....I dont know...maybe....but I still think he isn't | |
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SecretMagic
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:09 pm | |
| I'm sure we'll find out whether he is or isn't eventually. But I definitely don't think his part of the story is finished yet. | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:12 pm | |
| oh no! we'll see him again.... | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
Posts : 1091 Join date : 2009-06-22 Age : 40 Location : lakewood co.
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:59 pm | |
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Rose: That's it. You wanted me here because you wanted to know about her and you knew there was no way she'd come talk to you herself. You had nothing to blackmail her with.
This leads me to believe that Victor knew he couldn't black mail lissa into helping him again as he continues to get worse. This is probably the point when Victor decideds he will use the bond between lissa and rose to force lissa into healing him again.
Rose: She's never going to heal you.
I believe with rose's life on the line Lissa would do almost anything.
Victor: You fail to see the big picture. (in response to the revolution) Its already happening. Do you think i don't know what's going on out in the world? I still have contacts. People can be bought off. You stand by tasha and vilify me, Rosemarie, but I pushed for the very same thing last fall.
Dimitri: Tasha ozera is working on her cause a bit differently than you did.
Victor: And that's why she's getting no where.
Rose: Unbelievable first you wanted to hide her away to keep you alive now you actually want her out in the world to use her compulsion for your own psycho plans.Lissa will never do it, she's not going to abuse her powers. He didn't find out much.
Victor: You'd be surprised.
Victor has always had the big picture planned and I think he plays everybody like puppets. Victor may be behind bars but he is still calling the shots, "People can be bought" Victor still has many connections and I believe he is behind everything. In that conversation he learned that rose is the key to getting what he wants from Lissa. Victor's last line just hints at everything diabolical.
I also agree that yes Victor is using the strigoi to pull off his schemes, and that he will probably lose control of them and it will back fire on him in the end. I think victor is a diabolocal genius. I agree with some of his points when he says that dhampirs are slaves under the current rule, and how with his plan they would be free to live their lives how they wish. Also how the moroi couls do great things but just grew lazy. Both Victor and tasha have a great mind for wanting the change unfortunately both of them are going about it all wrong. Maybe third times a charm and Lissa will get it right when she becomes queen. | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:26 am | |
| Hmm....the way you said it.....it sounds like it.....but I still think he is not | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:39 am | |
| - Ivashkov wrote:
- Hmm....the way you said it.....it sounds like it.....but I still think he is not
haha. Nothing is going to chang your mind is it? | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
Posts : 1091 Join date : 2009-06-22 Age : 40 Location : lakewood co.
| Subject: Q&A question about victors role Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:32 am | |
| Here is a Q & A I found on another site I'm posting some of it here to answer a few peoples questions. There is a question about victor that Richelle Mead answers saying that VD has his hands mixed up in a lot of things. There's cold hard fact about victor instead of speculation.
My question is, will we be seeing more of Adrian? Does he have an important role in the grand sceme of things? A: Oh yes. Lots and lots of Adrian. He’s all over the place in Blood Promise…and in the rest of the series, actually!
In VA while talking to Rose about Ivan Zeklos Dimitri says that “one slip,one distraction and its too late”.What was the distraction?.Where was Dimitri when Ivan Zeklos died? A: Ah…secrets, secrets. To be revealed in later books! Sorry to play coy with you here.
. Was Dimitri always anti social or was it as a result of Ivan’s death? A: He was always kind of the strong, silent type.
. We meet Adrian in book 2, but was he planned from the start or someone who walked onto the page during the planning of Frostbite? Thanks! A. Adrian is one of the few things in my books that wasn’t intended to become a big part and then did. He was meant to be kind of a nuisance for Rose in Frostbite, and now he’s a key part of teh series. That rarely happens in my writing!
The cliff hangers are my call, not my publisher’s. I don’t do it to torture my readers (nor do I enjoy it!). To me, that’s just how the story has to be told. In a six book series, we can’t have a happy ending in book 3. What’s the point of the rest? I think characters have to be challenged, and they have to face their biggest crises in the middle of the series. It’s the only way they’ll grow and deserve a happy ending.
Will Rose see shadows once she leaves the school grounds? A: No, as we saw at the end of book 3, this is something she’s more or less learned to control (though she can see them if she wants to). In moments of stress, though, anything goes!
I came across this awesome theory (alas, can’t take credit for it) that the blond vampire might be Ivan, that the reason why Dimitri faltered was because he saw his old best friend? I think a lot of the readers feel (just like Rose) that Dimitri is truly invincible. So, was the falter just a falter, a sign that even he isn’t invincible or something more??? A. That is a fantastic theory. And I wish I’d thought of it. But no, it’s not true. Sometimes a falter is just a falter
Oooh…most of these are spoilers I can’t answer! Here’s what I can tell you. The spinoff series will have characters you know (but I can’t say who), and there’ll be a lot of romance. Sorry I have to stay secret on the rest!
I know you may not be able to answer it but it’s worth a try…Now that Dmitri is not really himself anymore, will he still remember his past and be able to think logically like his old self? A: Strigoi definitely remember their pasts and have a little of their old personalities, but for the most part, their attitudes are much darker and more twisted.
In the part in SK where Dimitri said would change their world forever, Did it really? A: I’m not quite sure which part you mean here… b) Will rose meet any more Shadow Kissed people and will she learn more about the powers of being Shadow-Kissed? A: Yes. c) Wll Rose see more ghosts A: Yes d) Rose WILL see her dad right??? A: Someday
Will we learn more about Dimitri’s past? Like meet his family or learn when he started reading western novels? A: There’ll be lots about Dimitri’s past and his family in Blood Promise. It’s set in Russia, after all…
)What is up with Dimitri and his western novels? A: Hey, everyone needs a hobby, and Dimitri’s already the heroic type. b)It hinted but never said for sure whether or not the blond stigoi in SK went to the academy with Lissa & Rose. Did he? A: You’ll learn his story in Blood Promise. c) MAYBE SPOILER - In FB Tasha told Rose how Christian’s parents turned stigoi and came back for him. They were going to raise him until he was old enough to turn…..If that was true then wouldn’t that mean the stigoi aren’t necessarily evil creatures like the academy kids are raised to believe? A: It wasn’t because they were evil so much as they didn’t want to have a Strigoi kid around. Whatever age he was turned would be the age he stayed forever, so they’d want to make sure he’s an adult.
We can expect something about mason in the next book?? A: Not too much, I’m afraid!
But I really wanted to know why Rose saw Vasilisa’s family when she was on the plane… I mean they didnt find peace? A: They haven’t found peace…but why? That’s a secret you’ll have to keep reading to find out.
Richelle, is there some way a strigoi come back to normal? A: That’s the million dollar question! You’ll have to keep reading the series, I’m afraid.
Does any one else besides Adrian, Victor and now Lissa know about Rose and Dimitri? Will Lissa tell everyone about them after Rose leaves out of anger? A. A few people figure it out after the attack. And no, Lissa doesn’t tell…so many people think of Lissa as mean at the end, but she’s just upset. She wouldn’t betray Rose like that.
any possibility victor be involved in the school attack? A. Victor’s got his hands in a lot of things that might surprise people, but I can’t say which ones yet–not until later in the series.
. Clara - a lot of your questions were already asked or are things I can’t talk about! I can say that I agree that have dark and sad things happen do indeed teach us things. That doesn’t mean I’m depressing and love to see people suffering! I love happy endings. But I don’t believe in easy happy endings. I think they’re better if people have to work along the way, and even then, not every happy ending will end up perfectly like we might | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:54 am | |
| - SecretMagic wrote:
- Ivashkov wrote:
- Hmm....the way you said it.....it sounds like it.....but I still think he is not
haha. Nothing is going to chang your mind is it? hehe...I just dont think he is behind all the plot.... | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
Posts : 1091 Join date : 2009-06-22 Age : 40 Location : lakewood co.
| Subject: speculation Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:14 pm | |
| Thats cool I'm not trying to change anyones mind were all entitled to our own opinions and and all the different possibilities are what makes for great story lines. I'm just backing up my own theories that I composed from Rm interviews and the books them self. She answered a lot of good questions inb that interview that were pertinent to other peoples questions and thoughts on this site. I just cant wait till the next book.Becasue until then as rose would put it " I just keep thinking and imagining, imagining and thinking" of all kinds of different scenarios. We'll just have to wait and see, in the mean time it is just so hard not to speculate, there are so many cliff hangers. the four things I am looking forward to in the next book are: 1 finding out who the blonde strigoi is 2 Seeing how Rose and adrian's relationship grows 3 find out more about Victor Dashkov and his role in the series 4 Seeing if Rose and Lissa are going to take on reverse roles
By number 4 I mean for once is Lissa going to put Rose first, is Lissa going to try to protect Roses wishes along with protecting her physicaly. I would really like them to walk; in eachothers shoes and gain more appreciation and a stronger connection.
Everyone wants to know more behind the mysterious victor, he reminds me of voldemort in that way. | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:17 pm | |
| are you a HP freak ? I AM!!! | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
Posts : 1091 Join date : 2009-06-22 Age : 40 Location : lakewood co.
| Subject: me too Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:49 pm | |
| yeah Jk rowling is an awesome writer. I wish she would get a new series out. | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:26 pm | |
| It's interesting to find out that Victor's got a lot of little things going on. So maybe you're right Ivashkov, maybe Victor isn't behind the whole plot, but he's definitely behind something. | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
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| Subject: HMM Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:36 pm | |
| that's a good point so which things is victor behind?.... Dun, dun dun!!!! | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:24 am | |
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SecretMagic
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:29 am | |
| There's too many possibilities and with 3 books still to be released I kind of doubt we're going to find out anything in a hurray | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
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| Subject: ? Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:02 am | |
| yeah maybe he was behind the car accident. like you said there are 3 more books and we have a long way to go. | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:39 pm | |
| ^ No Jil! . He might be evil and mad and everything you want.....but I dont think he was behind the accident . He was very good friends with Lisa's father . | |
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Hanner
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:32 pm | |
| well that would definately include the unexpected fctor, but it think you might be right. Causing such a destructive accident doesn't sound like him, I mean he's evil but that much?! | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:36 pm | |
| It's the car accident that made him aware that Lissa might have Spirit. I don't think he had any idea before hand, and only after the accident did she keep being tested. Besides, didn't he say Natalie was in the bushes when Lissa healed the Raven, and that was the main thing that made him wonder about Spirit? Then he looked back at the reports and discovered Rose should have died? | |
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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL
Posts : 1091 Join date : 2009-06-22 Age : 40 Location : lakewood co.
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:48 pm | |
| that's true I forgot about that part, I'm not trying to cast him as pure evil, because I am empathetic to his cause and undoubtedly agree with him. I just don't always agree with the way he goes about carrying things out all the time. So he's not necessarily evil so much as his actions are. does that makes sense. I agreed with everything he said to rose and dimitri when they went to visit him in jail in sk. He does want to improve both moroi and dhampires way of life. | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:52 pm | |
| It seems to me that even though the Moroi/Dhampir way of life probably would have needed to be updated eventually, Victor was mostly pushing the revolution because he missed his chance to be King due to his disease. If he hadn't been sick do you think he would have tried so desperately to change the way their culture was ruled? I think he was on a mission based on revenge, and because his mind was so clouded by it all that he's failed miserably. Even if the revolution goes ahead in some way, shape or form, I don't think Victor and his actions will ever be credited for it. (and if they are it's seriously messed up) | |
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Ivashkov Admin
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| Subject: Re: Victor Dashkov Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:29 am | |
| ^ Good point....that's another way to look at it.... | |
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