Victor Dashkov

Well if there are I'm afraid Dimitri's in with the wrong crowd Unless the ones who attacked the academy were really the good ones who were working with Victor to help prove his point that Moroi magic needs to be used to fight the evil ones, though Victor wasn't able to get their help without promising a few of the moroi students/teachers as snacks because they're a good bargaining chip.

Well that's a wonderful theory, I know lots of us are hoping. Although I am afraid it is wishful thinking

yeah, I'm not too hopeful on that front myself.

I am not sure that Victor wouldn't do something like that though. I am sure that he has something to do with the Strigoi attack though. Just as i am sure it has something to do with Lissa and Rose. He knows that if Dimka was taken Rose would go after him. I just can't get that out of my head. I guess we won't know until the book comes out..oh I hope it hurries

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out os existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victors ways is the only way!

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victor's way is the only way!

Even if it means that the acclearation would put countless Moroi lives at risk, for that matter, right?

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victor's way is the only way!

Even if it means that the acclearation would put countless Moroi lives at risk, for that matter, right?

Of course, Victor couldn't care less about anyone else but himself. He proved that when he turned Natalie into Strigoi.

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victor's way is the only way!

Even if it means that the accleration would put countless Moroi lives at risk, for that matter, right?

Of course, Victor couldn't care less about anyone else but himself. He proved that when he turned Natalie into Strigoi.

Apparently his only goal in life is to accelerate the Moroi to taking
a Stand against the Strigoi, if that's all he cares about, other
than Lissa's ultimate survival, right?

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victor's way is the only way!

Even if it means that the accleration would put countless Moroi lives at risk, for that matter, right?

Of course, Victor couldn't care less about anyone else but himself. He proved that when he turned Natalie into Strigoi.

Apparently his only goal in life is to accelerate the Moroi to taking
a Stand against the Strigoi, if that's all he cares about, other
than Lissa's ultimate survival, right?

Well yes and no. I think in creating more strigoi, he is proving that the moroi need to stand and fight with the Dhampir's. We have read througout all the books that there are not enough Dhampir's. So in making more strigoi he is creating the need for them to fight together.

With Lissa it is more I think to do with her becoming more powerful so that he can use her. I mean we know he wants to be king..so that he has all the power. I think he somehow wants to have Lissa become Queen, then somehow get her to free him. I would then expect him to try to kill her, or keep her prisoner so she can continue to heal him when he gets sick.

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

ShadowKissed wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm still thinking he had nothing to do with Dimitri being changed. I don't think his plan was to create more Strigoi because ultimately he'd want to wipe them out of existence (hence the willingness to use moroi magic). Though he might recognise that Rose will run off to find him, which will leave Lissa in a more approachable stage

Well....apparently he's trying to get Lissa to grow into a proper ruler in the quickest way possible, if he wants the Strigoi gone, and he himself is unable to rule, right?

Why else would he have mentioned that Lissa could be such a leader to unite the Moroi against the Strigoi and things like that?

Yes Yes that is what I am talking about, Victor is a bad guy. So nothing about what he does will ever make sense. I can see him creating more Strigoi to make his point about Moroi and Dhampir's fighting together. After all he said that they should..and that Rose told him that Lissa would never carry out any of his plans as long as she was around. So was this his way of getting Rose out of the picture so he could get to Lissa????

You mean by as long as Rose is around, right?Because we all know that the Moroi need Lissa Dragomir very badly, at times like these, and since she's not the ruler, yet, it's all the more reason to find many ways to prepare her for when she becomes the Angel Queen of the Moroi, at that moment.

Yes that is what I mean..if Rose is off trying to find Dimitri she isn't there to protect Lissa. Therfore giving Victor perfect opportunity to get to Lissa.

We know that Lissa leading is what is expected..and what everyone wants. Yet if Victor can get her on his side his plan will work. Lissa is a innocent, people will follow her. All the better for his plan.

And under such logic, the plans to engage the Strigoi in their own lands would accelerate further, right?

Yes, but I think more than anything it is to make everyone believe that Victor's way is the only way!

Even if it means that the accleration would put countless Moroi lives at risk, for that matter, right?

Of course, Victor couldn't care less about anyone else but himself. He proved that when he turned Natalie into Strigoi.

Apparently his only goal in life is to accelerate the Moroi to taking
a Stand against the Strigoi, if that's all he cares about, other
than Lissa's ultimate survival, right?

Well yes and no. I think in creating more strigoi, he is proving that the moroi need to stand and fight with the Dhampir's. We have read througout all the books that there are not enough Dhampir's. So in making more strigoi he is creating the need for them to fight together.

With Lissa it is more I think to do with her becoming more powerful so that he can use her. I mean we know he wants to be king..so that he has all the power. I think he somehow wants to have Lissa become Queen, then somehow get her to free him. I would then expect him to try to kill her, or keep her prisoner so she can continue to heal him when he gets sick.

Sounds like a living paradox, when it comes to fixing the problems of the Moroi's overall lack of back-bone[Christian and Adrian, not-with-standing, of course!]without getting the Moroi destroyed, the more i think about it, right?

Well I don't think that the Moroi being destroyed is the goal here. I think that Victor doesn't want the Moroi to have to fear the Strigoi and hid behind Dhampirs. Although having said that..I think in the long run, he just wants to harbor all the magic and power.... you know the whole-I-will-control-the-world..thing..its every evil villians story. But there is always a reason they think of behind it!

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Well I don't think that the Moroi being destroyed is the goal here. I think that Victor doesn't want the Moroi to have to fear the Strigoi and hid behind Dhampirs. Although having said that..I think in the long run, he just wants to harbor all the magic and power.... you know the whole-I-will-control-the-world..thing..its every evil villians story. But there is always a reason they think of behind it!

It's obvious that in Voldemort's[A.K.A Satan Incarnate's!] Case, he wants to wipe humanity out, clearly, while in the case of the Titan King Kronos's case, he wants to be able to bring humanity under the control of the Titans, once more, while getting rid of the Olympian Gods who would stand in his way, including that of the Big 3 Olympian Gods, his sons, Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades, would more or less be icing on the cake, to be honest.

But i wonder what does Victor hope to gain from control of the world, if that was his plan all along?

Victor wants to bring the Moroi back to the human world. He even said that humans once viewed them as gods. He wants their power to be revered by humans again. Instead of mere parlor tricks. Victor wants to reunite with the world and bring the moroi out of hiding. If he can do that and rule the moroi while doing even if he rules from the side lines it's basically every villains, "I want to rule the world, muahaha" kind of thing.

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

Victor wants to bring the Moroi back to the human world. He even said that humans once viewed them as gods. He wants their power to be revered by humans again. Instead of mere parlor tricks. Victor wants to reunite with the world and bring the moroi out of hiding. If he can do that and rule the moroi while doing even if he rules from the side lines it's basically every villains, "I want to rule the world, muahaha" kind of thing.

Aren't the Titans of the 1st Titan War of the ancient Olympian Tales technically more lethal than the Moroi and Strigoi, unless they drink the blood of the Olympians, Jill?

LOL That makes me think about Nephilim. That would probably be some good blood though. I was just going off of what Victor says. But I think your idea would make for a good story.

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

LOL That makes me think about Nephilim. That would probably be some good blood though. I was just going off of what Victor says. But I think your idea would make for a good story.

I was just thinking outloud, Jill, please carry on, then.

Very well. We always carry on in this site.

Well you took the words right out of my mouth Jill! He isn't all for taking and just holding. He wants to not only control the Moroi, Dhampir's and the Royal court, but also the humans. Having total control is his goal here I think.

I doubt he'd ever get total control though. Even if he somehow managed to get the Moroi, Dhampirs and Humans under his control I don't think the strigoi would be as willing to have one ruler. They might take a bit of direction from one person every now and then, but if they had to live that way I don't think they'd accept it.