Victor Dashkov

yes, I do believe it does Jesse's an arse anyway, he deserves whatever he gets.

SecretMagic wrote:

yes, I do believe it does Jesse's an arse anyway, he deserves whatever he gets.

If he's supposed to be related to the guy whom Dimitri swore to protect, shouldn't he at least act like he is related, anyway? Disgraceful upon his own family, for not being that way.

I'm not sure he's the type of person who cares all that much. And I think he was only a distant relative. There are so many royals within some families that the surname doesn't count for much except for recognition of relation.

SecretMagic wrote:

I'm not sure he's the type of person who cares all that much. And I think he was only a distant relative. There are so many royals within some families that the surname doesn't count for much except for recognition of relation.

Shouldn't it also have counted for recognition of Reputation, as well, S.M, the way it had for the Dragomirs, before Angel Princess Lissa was born, at least?

I think the Dragomirs were different. Obviously there were less of them, so reputation meant more because everything they did would be noticed. If one of them did something wrong it would be reflected on the entire family because there was no where to hide in such small numbers. Jesse's just another Zeklos and anything he did is likely to go unnoticed because there are plenty of Zekloses out there running amuck.

SecretMagic wrote:

I think the Dragomirs were different. Obviously there were less of them, so reputation meant more because everything they did would be noticed. If one of them did something wrong it would be reflected on the entire family because there was no where to hide in such small numbers. Jesse's just another Zeklos and anything he did is likely to go unnoticed because there are plenty of Zekloses out there running amuck.

It feels that, for the most part, morally speaking, at least, the Dragomirs are the polar opposites of the Black Family Tree of the Potter-world, if anyone ever thought about it, although what they have in common would be that both of them are rather famous, and both of them breed out a lot of eye-candy, right?

I would agree with you there. The Dragomirs are this super-awesome completely good family, where as the Blacks most certainly aren't (unless you look at the few of them who got knocked off the tree: Andromeda, Sirius etc. ... poor Sirius ). But you're right, they're both famous in their own senses and the people from their worlds are comstantly aware of what they stand for and what their actions are.

SecretMagic wrote:

I would agree with you there. The Dragomirs are this super-awesome completely good family, where as the Blacks most certainly aren't (unless you look at the few of them who got knocked off the tree: Andromeda, Sirius etc. ... poor Sirius ). But you're right, they're both famous in their own senses and the people from their worlds are constantly aware of what they stand for and what their actions are.

Don't forget about Cedrella Weasley, who was once a Black, as well as one of the Weasley Siblings' biological grandmother from their father's side of the family[I wanted to hear that they at least kept her, and i wanted to hear that they had, at least considered casting Kate Beckinsale for the photo of Cedrella at her younger days, at least..just to make it clear to show that the Weasleys are related to them. ]

And please be ready to make an exception with Regulus Black if his photo was still up on the tree, as without either him or Snape, Harry would have had a guaranteed death-wish, in the novels...Sirius and Regulus Black ROCKED!!!!!!

The only reason i would see the Blacks going completely extinct, other than the inane amount of stupidity that has possessed the majority of the surviving Blacks, was that their bad deeds had came back to destroy them, in which case, Karma wiped them all out!

But the Dragomirs...most of them had never done anything of the sort that's immoral of their parts to deserve being on the verge of extinction, at all, didn't they?

At least as long as the Angel Princess Lissa Dragomir is alive, there's hope for the Dragomirs, right?

[Someone should do a poll for the Dragomirs and the Blacks, at some time this week, so more of us could talk about them and such, alright? ]

I quite open to allowing Regulas into the good-books. He did his part in the end, Sirius must have been a good influence after all (I'm a big Marauders fan so Sirius, James and Remus are very special to me...I ignore Peter's existence for the most part.)

That we know of the Dragomirs didn't do anything wrong to deserve extinction, but then again if there were only 4 of them left before the car crash who knows what happened to make them fall so much. Let's just keep out fingers crossed that Lissa brings them back up

Perhaps we should make a Harry Potter thread in the Literature section to discuss the Blacks? Or a Vampire academy/harry potter thread to discuss similarities within the two?

SecretMagic wrote:

I quite open to allowing Regulus into the good-books. He did his part in the end, Sirius must have been a good influence after all (I'm a big Marauders fan so Sirius, James and Remus are very special to me...I ignore Peter's existence for the most part.)

That we know of the Dragomirs didn't do anything wrong to deserve extinction, but then again if there were only 4 of them left before the car crash who knows what happened to make them fall so much. Let's just keep out fingers crossed that Lissa brings them back up

Perhaps we should make a Harry Potter thread in the Literature section to discuss the Blacks? Or a Vampire academy/harry potter thread to discuss similarities within the two?

Why not go for broke, and if possible, do both, then, S.M?
I'll help with the Black Family Tree Thread in the Literature section, while you deal with the thread to discuss the Dragomirs and the Blacks, in that case.

I personally don't like him, but there has to be one main villian in every good story right?.. I have read back to the other reply's and can't help but agree that Victor is probably involved with the Stroigoi, probably heading them. I wonder now that Rose is off to find Dimitri, if Victor will try to go after Lissa again..

Either way he is mean and cruel, but he is good at it. How he never backs down. Not even in court with Rose and Dimitri..he knew his comment would only make himself look bad, but at the price of getting to see their faces. Hmm is there anything he wouldn't do to get what he wants????

ShawdowKissed wrote:

I personally don't like him, but there has to be one main villian in every good story right?.. I have read back to the other reply's and can't help but agree that Victor is probably involved with the Stroigoi, probably heading them. I wonder now that Rose is off to find Dimitri, if Victor will try to go after Lissa again..

Either way he is mean and cruel, but he is good at it. How he never backs down. Not even in court with Rose and Dimitri..he knew his comment would only make himself look bad, but at the price of getting to see their faces. Hmm is there anything he wouldn't do to get what he wants????

He wouldn't kill Lissa outrightly, in case he were to die, would he?

No, but I do think that if he found out that Rose wasn't at the Academy he would take advantage of that and try to get her to help him..or worse have her taken somewhere

ShadowKissed wrote:

Either way he is mean and cruel, but he is good at it.

haha, I love how you describe him. He really does have a skill in evilness. I've realised that Lissa will be slightly unprotected now that Rose isn't with her (not in the sense that no-one will be guarding her, just that she's without the 2 people who were going to guard her: dimitri and Rose.), but I never stopped to think about how Victor might use that to get to Lissa. It's a good theory.

ShadowKissed wrote:

No, but I do think that if he found out that Rose wasn't at the Academy he would take advantage of that and try to get her to help him..or worse have her taken somewhere

And then use the Angel Princess Lissa to get whatever he wanted, from Rose and the rest of the academy, right?

He knows that the Moroi need someone like Lissa Dragomir to rule over them, one day, but since Lissa isn't ready to be a ruler yet, she's still very vulnerable, isn't she?

She sure is, but I don't think she is as unprotected as we think she is. After all Adrian and Christian are still there. However there is nothing saying that either of them could stand up to him or the people that work for him. I think he could have a big part in BP.

Adrian and Christian would definitely be willing to protect her, but something tells me they wouldn't be 100% fool proof. I mean, look at what happened in Shadow Kiss. Lissa managed to ditch all her friends in order to find out more information about Jesse and Ralph's little club. She was supposed to be in a completely protected area and somehow managed to get herself pretty messed up. Even if there is more security at court, I'm certain that if she wanted to (or someone else really wanted her to) she'd manage to get away from her protector and move off on her own.

Exactly and with Rose so far away even with the bond, she wouldn't be able to do much. I think we might be in for a big suprise as far as that goes. It might even go so far as having Victor involved with the Strogoi, and having Dimitri taken on purpose to distract Rose. I mean he was in the van when Dimitri and Rose were talking about what they would want to happen to them if they were taken and turned. Either way Lissa is not as protected as she would be if Rose was there. I think Victor is counting on that!

Part of me believes he doesn't really want to hurt or absuse Lissa, as he was considered her uncle for so much of her life. But at the same time I think if he needs her for his master plan he's not going to hesitate to use her to complete it.

Hmmm that's interesting, however he told Rose in the jail that if Lissa had to die so that Victor could live that would be a sacrafice he was willing to make..I mean come on he talked his daughter into becoming a strogoi..that is another reason behind my theory that he is tied to Dimitri being taken and turned. Victor know's Rose will go after Dimitri..infact I think he is counting on it..he also knows that Rose being Shadow Kissed she will take all the negative energy from Lissa. So even if he isn't behind the strogoi taking Dimitri, he knows what will happen to Rose..and he is counting on Rose going crazy.. just my 2 cents worth

yeah, I feel he was behind the strigoi attack and that might be why the random blonde strigoi thought he knew Rose, perhaps he'd seen her somewhere at something Victor was at and was now doing Victor's bidding? I don't think he planned to turn Dimitri though. I think Dimitri was only turned because Rose was standing there and was so concerned about his safety and had promised to kill blondie earlier that night. It was a way to show off that she hadn't killed him and now her special little friend was "dead" too.

Are those who aren't 100% Dragomir supposed to be so threatening, that it's not even Sparta?

Wait a minute, Christian should be screaming out Sparta, right?

Hmm SM you maybe on to something there..the only other reason I can think that the blond guy could know Rose is that he was one of Victor's gurdians..or someone he knew. I mean Lissa is close to Victor..and Rose is close to Lissa..this we know is how he knows her as Blondie told her he saw Rose with Lissa, and that he thought she was dead already. So maybe with Victor being in jail they all assumed that Lissa was killed in the cabin with Victor. Hmmm..its very clever though I have to say, well done SM now my mind is in overdrive lol.

haha, I'm glad to have given you something to think over. And thanks for reminding me that Blondie thought she'd already died. Unless he though she'd died in the car crash? I mean, she has been kept off the radar since they escaped from school and when they returned. It's nice to know she had a low profile for a while, I doubt blondie would keep it to himself for long though. But that makes me think the strigoi who attacked the Academy weren't from the same group who formed in Spokane. Because Isaiah discovered Rose was in connection to Lissa because of her chotki and he had time to tell others that the last Dragomir was young and alive still, but he obviously didn't (or at least didn't tell those who were about to run off to the academy.)

OOOOO too true..maybe there is more than one string of Strogoi working together. Hmmm that could complicate a lot of theories. If they are fighting amongst each other..and then attacking the accdemy that is a totally different twist. Or maybe there is a good string of strigoi after all..(I know its far fetched).