Theories as to who killed the Queen?

RubyGemJuly wrote:

This is all strange and doesn't add up. RM is really playing with our minds here! I do not like one bit of this, but I love a good mystery and we'll either fail at figuring this out, or succeed brilliantly and will be over the moon when we read it and knowing we got bits of it right.

I don't think we'll figure it out, but that only proves that Richelle did a very good job.

It might be someone we don't know yet. And yes, Richelle did a great job...

I agree, she did a great job. I still think Tahsa might have been the one who did it, but the thing you said about getting past the guardians makes me wonder....could it have been one of the guardians who did the crime? Because they would be allowed to go into the Queen's room, right? And someone might have used cumpulsion on them.

But her face, she knew her time was coming to an end, but didn't know who would do the crime. I think her face when she was found was a sign that she was shocked to know that this person was going to kill her, and they did.

RubyGemJuly wrote:

But her face, she knew her time was coming to an end, but didn't know who would do the crime. I think her face when she was found was a sign that she was shocked to know that this person was going to kill her, and they did.

Good point. I didn't thought of that.

Thanks, and so we must think, we would Tatiana be more surprised bout killing her?

Hm...probably someone she is close to.

That's what I thought, but not Ambrose cos he loved her with all his heart.

RubyGemJuly wrote:

That's what I thought, but not Ambrose cos he loved her with all his heart.

I agree. And I still think the killer is a woman, lol.

It could be Daniella, but who knows (except for RM of course lol)

Haha yea ^^ and yes, I also think it is a woman. It could be Daniella...but I don't know. She just seems so fragile, somehow. Or at least I think she's fragile.

We don't know for sure who's who and why they're in the book, except for Rose, Dimitri, Lissa, probably Adrian and Victor.

(Is there anyone else that we sort of know why they're in the book?)

It's deffo a woman, no idea why a man would do it. I guess we'll just have to wait until December to know for sure.

Phoenix wrote:

In_love_with_Belikov13 wrote:

So, I thought of something, and I'm not sure if anyone had thought of this before. I've got a motive for Tasha killing the queen. I think she did it because she's mad that Dimka chose Rose over her, and now that Dimka's back, if she can get rid of Rose, then maybe she can get Dimka. I think the whole thing with her asking Rose to be her guardian was because Dimka wasn't back yet, and so she needed a guardian, or maybe she was just asking to throw Rose off her trail, or maybe Richelle did it to throw us off Tasha's trail. That bit I'm still not sure about.

I thought of that, too, and I still think that's the most likely possibility. The only problem is that we don't know how did she get past all that guardians, which is the main reason why a lot of people think that Tasha is not the killer.

The same can be said about any potential suspect though. The Queen would obviously have a lot of guardians surrounding her because of who she is, so it would be difficult for anyone to get past all of her security. With that in mind, it would probably take more than one person to kill her since it would require getting around the watchful eyes of all the guards that are keeping tabs on Tatiana 24/7. Maybe Tasha had someone that distracted the guardians while she was killing the Queen.

extraordinarygirl86 wrote:

The same can be said about any potential suspect though. The Queen would obviously have a lot of guardians surrounding her because of who she is, so it would be difficult for anyone to get past all of her security. With that in mind, it would probably take more than one person to kill her since it would require getting around the watchful eyes of all the guards that are keeping tabs on Tatiana 24/7. Maybe Tasha had someone that distracted the guardians while she was killing the Queen.

Maybe. The problem is that we know nothing about that. Nothing was mentioned - were the guardians killed or injured or they didn't notice anything or maybe then don't remember anything?

I think it was Adrian for this reasons:

1. In SB Victors half brother robert told Adrian "you wont be able to tell dream from reality" So i think Adrian might have thought he was dreaming when he killed the queen but it was actually in reality.

2. He was the only one in rose's room and he was the only one who had access to her stake. He could have compelled the guards to let him in. He could easily get past all the security because Tatiana adores him. In the book it said Tatiana had a shocked look well i would be shocked if my favourite nephew came bursting in with stake in hand ready kill her.

My other theory was maybe rose actually killed the queen but adrian compelled her into doing it. After all it had her finger prints on it and she knows how to use a stake. I think Adrian was using her when he drank blood from her so she could get all drugged out and she would not realize she was getting compelled. I think Adrian might be working for victor he might need to get rose out of the way so victor can get his hands on lisa. Was it no strange how fast adrian showed up in las vegas?

I re-read the book somthing else caught my attention when rose and eddie went to fight the strigoi in las vegas and told lisa and adrian to run with victor and robert and make sure that they dont escape. Do you think adrian compelled lisa and let victor and robert escape. I think since frostbite he has been working for victor ever since he came to the acdeamy so much bad luck spread around. It has been kind of fishy to me i might be wrong but thats what i think.

Supernatural4eva wrote:

I think it was Adrian for this reasons:

1. In SB Victors half brother robert told Adrian "you wont be able to tell dream from reality" So i think Adrian might have thought he was dreaming when he killed the queen but it was actually in reality.

2. He was the only one in rose's room and he was the only one who had access to her stake. He could have compelled the guards to let him in. He could easily get past all the security because Tatiana adores him. In the book it said Tatiana had a shocked look well i would be shocked if my favourite nephew came bursting in with stake in hand ready kill her.

My other theory was maybe rose actually killed the queen but adrian compelled her into doing it. After all it had her finger prints on it and she knows how to use a stake. I think Adrian was using her when he drank blood from her so she could get all drugged out and she would not realize she was getting compelled. I think Adrian might be working for victor he might need to get rose out of the way so victor can get his hands on lisa. Was it no strange how fast adrian showed up in las vegas?

I re-read the book somthing else caught my attention when rose and eddie went to fight the strigoi in las vegas and told lisa and adrian to run with victor and robert and make sure that they dont escape. Do you think adrian compelled lisa and let victor and robert escape. I think since frostbite he has been working for victor ever since he came to the acdeamy so much bad luck spread around. It has been kind of fishy to me i might be wrong but thats what i think.

Very interesting theories. Especially the one about Adrian not seeing the difference between dream and reality. That might even be possible.
I don't think Adrian is working for Victor. He's a very interesting character and I don't think he's there just to turn out to be a betrayer. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see

Phoenix wrote:

Supernatural4eva wrote:

I think it was Adrian for this reasons:

1. In SB Victors half brother robert told Adrian "you wont be able to tell dream from reality" So i think Adrian might have thought he was dreaming when he killed the queen but it was actually in reality.

2. He was the only one in rose's room and he was the only one who had access to her stake. He could have compelled the guards to let him in. He could easily get past all the security because Tatiana adores him. In the book it said Tatiana had a shocked look well i would be shocked if my favourite nephew came bursting in with stake in hand ready kill her.

My other theory was maybe rose actually killed the queen but adrian compelled her into doing it. After all it had her finger prints on it and she knows how to use a stake. I think Adrian was using her when he drank blood from her so she could get all drugged out and she would not realize she was getting compelled. I think Adrian might be working for victor he might need to get rose out of the way so victor can get his hands on lisa. Was it no strange how fast adrian showed up in las vegas?

I re-read the book somthing else caught my attention when rose and eddie went to fight the strigoi in las vegas and told lisa and adrian to run with victor and robert and make sure that they dont escape. Do you think adrian compelled lisa and let victor and robert escape. I think since frostbite he has been working for victor ever since he came to the acdeamy so much bad luck spread around. It has been kind of fishy to me i might be wrong but thats what i think.

Very interesting theories. Especially the one about Adrian not seeing the difference between dream and reality. That might even be possible.
I don't think Adrian is working for Victor. He's a very interesting character and I don't think he's there just to turn out to be a betrayer. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see

Yeah the part about him working for victor seems unlikely when you think about it. But somthing doesn't seem right with Adrian he is a strange character in good way

I don't agree with the theory as Adrian a betrayer, but your theory on the dream/reality thing is good.

I don’t believe Ambrose was the killer. Whoever killed the Queen didn’t know how to use a stack. They hacked at her body. A trained dhampir would’ve killed her in one swipe. So more than likely a Moroi killed her. Anyone could’ve taken Rose’s stake while she was brooding over Dimitri in the court.

It’s hard to tell exactly who it could be, but the person must be an enemy of Rose. I don’t believe it is Victor, he wants Lissa to become Queen and believes she’ll continue what he started. Tasha is a good choice. She wasn’t around when the news about the Queen’s death and she wasn’t in court either. She has a political agenda and a reason to hate Rose – Dimitri. Adrian could be a surprise killer, but I can’t think of any real motive for him. Then there is the obvious, someone on the court.

cz wrote:

I don’t believe Ambrose was the killer. Whoever killed the Queen didn’t know how to use a stack. They hacked at her body. A trained dhampir would’ve killed her in one swipe. So more than likely a Moroi killed her. Anyone could’ve taken Rose’s stake while she was brooding over Dimitri in the court.

It’s hard to tell exactly who it could be, but the person must be an enemy of Rose. I don’t believe it is Victor, he wants Lissa to become Queen and believes she’ll continue what he started. Tasha is a good choice. She wasn’t around when the news about the Queen’s death and she wasn’t in court either. She has a political agenda and a reason to hate Rose – Dimitri. Adrian could be a surprise killer, but I can’t think of any real motive for him. Then there is the obvious, someone on the court.

Oh yeah the the person who stacked her diden't know how to use the stake properly. So its a moroi. Thats why who i think killed her was adrian. He had acess to rose's stake, he could easily get past the queens guards because he is a royal and he could have compelled the guards. The queen had a shocked expression when she died so i dont think she was expecting to see her favorutie nephew strom through the door and stake her. I cant think of a motive for adrian to kill the queen he might of been crazied up on spirit when he did it.... Or this whole time we have known adrian he has always had this hidden adgenda and is faking to love rose, because i thought when he was drinking blood from her he was using her.... i dunno just a thought.

Yeah Adrian was my second choice as the killer. That would be a great shocker and allow Rose to be free and clear to be with Dimitri. And he had the means. He showed up at Rose's room after the murder, was having one of those spirit induced madness episodes while with her and was avoiding to see the Queen alone. Something was going on between them and he didn't want to talk to the Queen.

Although, I don't believe he was using Rose, but if he did kill the Queen maybe it was to avoid his responsibilities and to secure his chances to be with Rose. He knows Rose and her family. Her father had money and wouldn't let his daughter rot in jail. I still question if Adrian was the one who called her father in the first place. He arrived pretty fast there.

cz wrote:

and allow Rose to be free and clear to be with Dimitri.

Oh, I like that Now, he could have done it, but I don't see any motives for him to kill Tatiana and especially set Rose up. And I would hate it if such a brilliant character would turn out to be nothing but a betrayer, you know. But who knows, it might be him.

cz wrote:

Yeah Adrian was my second choice as the killer. That would be a great shocker and allow Rose to be free and clear to be with Dimitri. And he had the means. He showed up at Rose's room after the murder, was having one of those spirit induced madness episodes while with her and was avoiding to see the Queen alone. Something was going on between them and he didn't want to talk to the Queen.

Although, I don't believe he was using Rose, but if he did kill the Queen maybe it was to avoid his responsibilities and to secure his chances to be with Rose. He knows Rose and her family. Her father had money and wouldn't let his daughter rot in jail. I still question if Adrian was the one who called her father in the first place. He arrived pretty fast there.

But if Adrian's motive for killing the queen was so he could be with Rose then why would he frame her? Framing Rose for murder certainly ruins his chance of having a happy life with Rose too. If Adrian wanted to secure his chances with Rose then it would make more sense for him to try to frame Dimitri since he is the one that poses the biggest problem for Adrian having a lasting relationship with Rose.

courtneyxnight wrote:

So, this book ended on the craziest cliffhanger of the entire series to date. Richelle Mead leaves us with very little clues as to who could have killed Queen Tatiana:

Victor is the most obvious suspect, which would make for a rather pathetic mystery. 

I'm thinking Ambrose did it. Though Ambrose's motive is uncertain, there is enough probable cause for me to consider him a suspect. 

I am also suspicious of Adrian's father, Nathan. The Queen made a grand show of insulting him in his own home. He also shows blatant dislike for Rose. If he killed Tatiana, he could rid his son of Rose and rid the Moroi society of the Queen. He has motive, certainly, but unfortunately lacks probable cause. 

I have tried racking my brain for other suspects as well but none are set in stone. I believe whoever killed the Queen, witnessed or heard news of the common abhorrence between her and Rose and simply used it to their advantage. Whether or not that person has a grudge against Rose is unfounded. Rose could simply be an unfortunate casuality in someone's sinister plot to assasinate the Queen. Anyone could have killed her with enough motive.  

I'd like to hear more theories though. Any takers?

Who killed the queen? is the big question.. but my first question when I read SB is WHY???? Tatiana seems to be a good queen and respected by the moroi society and council, like you say in the precedents books only Victor has motives to change the council/laws starting a revolution, but in SK he is more passive and tells Rose that Lissa will be the one to change things and that she already started!!! and he seems ok with the turn in his masterplan.. that he will no longer be the leader.. so why kill the queen??? and why incriminate Rose??? the only reason to incriminate Rose is to have Lissa alone and vulnerable to heal him and start his revolution.

Ambrose is a mistery but I don't think he did it... he already has what he wants.. he isn't a guardian, live at court and has the queen's love??? whichs benefits can he take by killing her??? money???? because I don't think is power.. he is a dhampir..

Nathan?? maybe.. but I think is more than one Moroi family... I think the queen tells nathan about the possibility that Lissa can have a VOTE, so this means this group of moroi will no longer have the power in the council so I think they organize the murder of the queen putting Rose as the number one suspect.. in the letter from the queen to Rose she wrote "If you read this is because something happens" so she knew that the information she shared was dangerous for her to reveal and she confirms her suspects in Nathan involvement... so I think the quest to find Lissa's sibbling will be more dangerous than we had expected beacuse this group of corrupt morois will be tracking her/him too... at the end I think Rose/Abe/Dimitri/Christian/Lissa (together or not) will find Lissa's sibling first and then with the "good" part of the council (Tasha's help also) will smask the "bad guys" and the moroi/dhampir council/society will change, letting morois to help dhampirs fight strigoi (even initiate a spirit research to bring them back to normal in the future) morois with improve their magic abilities to help in different areas and the dhampirs with this new council will have a new position in society (the "they come first" will no longer exist) also getting a vote or more in the council...

I believe the motive to kill the Tatiana revolves around the Mori wanting to force all Dhampirs into protecting the Royal families and has nothing to do with the crown. Remember, the age law speeding up graduation to 16 for all Dhampirs was passed by Tatiana only to delay the Mori's rallying to force all Dhampirs to fight no matter what with compulsion.

Lissa is vocally agaisnt this view and believes in Tasha view of Mori and Dhampirs fighting side by side. Spoiled Royals don't want that. They rather risk the lives of Dhampirs (Close to slaves in my opinion) than give up their lavish lives.

Framing Rose was a necessity. She has proven time and time again to do what is necessary (Dangerous and Crazy) to help Lissa and openly feels she should be on the court.

Victor is an obvious choice, but he wanted her to go to court, since she has the same views as him.

I think it is going to be someone from one of these families who voted for the age law: Ivashkov, Lazar, Zeklos, Taraus and Voda. (Maybe Adrian's father)

But then their could be a surprise killer we didn't expect like Tasha or Adrian (But I'm not saying this is my prediction). However, Adrian would strictly be for shock value as was Victor in the first book, but I have a hard time coming up with a good motive other than it was to be with Rose or he was a liar and I like his character. He deserves a decent ending (but not with Rose.) and I hate to see his character turned into a lying jerk.