Theories as to who killed the Queen?

cz wrote:

I think it is going to be someone from one of these families who voted for the age law: Ivashkov, Lazar, Zeklos, Taraus and Voda. (Maybe Adrian's father).

For me were all of them together ... they planned the murder in order to control the council...

cz wrote:

Framing Rose was a necessity. She has proven time and time again to do what is necessary (Dangerous and Crazy) to help Lissa and openly feels she should be on the court.

I never thought of this motive to frame Rose.. I like your theory..

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but I have a hard time coming up with a good motive other than it was to be with Rose

If Adrian is the killer I don't think his motive is "to be with Rose" Wasn't it said in SB that if Rose is found guilty of treason her punishment would be death? That certainly wouldn't go along with the idea that Adrian just wants to establish a life with Rose since he would be risking his girlfriend being killed for a crime she did not commit. It would make more sense for Adrian's motive to be revenge over Rose breaking his heart. He knows that Rose will always love Dimitri and I think now he may realize that Rose has really just treated him as a rebound boyfriend.

Even though I hate the idea of Adrian being his great untie's killer, he's beginning to be a very good suspect. Why oh why did someone suggest Adrian Ivashkov as the killer?

RubyGemJuly wrote:

Even though I hate the idea of Adrian being his great untie's killer, he's beginning to be a very good suspect. Why oh why did someone suggest Adrian Ivashkov as the killer?

I don't think he really had any motives to do it. And he's a great character, it would be such a waste if he turned out to be the killer. I don't think Richelle would do something like that. She put way too much effort into creating him.

I know Adrian framing Rose to be with her is a weak plot. It would be more plausible if he was using her from the get go OR after realizing Rose wasn't all that into him, he was persuaded by his father to frame her OR he was in one of his spells and someone tricked him into killing the Queen.

However, I still don't believe he had anything to do with the murder. It would be a shocking idea, but the facts point to him helping her out. For instance, he convinced his mother to provide her better council. Abe showed up awfully fast to the court, meaning someone told him about Rose situation and only two people have his contact information: Rose's mother and Adrian. Rose didn't have time to call her mother. Adrian willing annouced in front of everyone he was with her, no matter how it made him look and he looked at her with a sense of love. He didn't want to bite hre neck at first and was willing to wait. And he even said, no matter what she did, he wouldn't leave her. He was addicted to her.

I still say it is someone sitting on the Royal court or Tasha or both (she did have a relative on the Royal court). They will gain the most from killing the Queen.

Phoenix wrote:

RubyGemJuly wrote:

Even though I hate the idea of Adrian being his great untie's killer, he's beginning to be a very good suspect. Why oh why did someone suggest Adrian Ivashkov as the killer?

I don't think he really had any motives to do it. And he's a great character, it would be such a waste if he turned out to be the killer. I don't think Richelle would do something like that. She put way too much effort into creating him.

I agree. Adrian doesn't strike me as the type of guy that would go to such an extreme measure to get back at Rose for hurting him. Despite his problems with Rose, I think Adrian will continue to support and help Rose no matter what. He's very loyal to his friends so I can't picture Adrian committing such a huge betrayal.

extraordinarygirl86 wrote:

I agree. Adrian doesn't strike me as the type of guy that would go to such an extreme measure to get back at Rose for hurting him. Despite his problems with Rose, I think Adrian will continue to support and help Rose no matter what. He's very loyal to his friends so I can't picture Adrian committing such a huge betrayal.

I agree, I really don't think that Rose hurting him could be a motive for him to do something like this. I'm certain he'll continue supporting her no matter what.

I Agree. I think even if Rose chose Dimitri over him, he'll stand by her. He seems that type of guy.

I don't think it was Adrian, because Richelle has said that she had the story pretty much mapped out from the beginning, and that Adrian was supposed to be a minor character that turned out to have a much bigger role. I can't see her giving such a major plot point to a character who wasn't supposed to stick around. This is also why I don't think that Rose will wind up with Adrian. She'll be with Dimka, because of all the effort put into that relationship. A whole book was dedicated to it! And Adrian was only meant to be around for a little while. She wouldn't have changed the relationship outcome because Adrian's story wound up beign longer than she anticipated.

That's why I feel it will be someone on the court.

The big question I have is if Richelle is the type of writer who'll tie everything up in a nice bow at the end. Allowing Lissa to be on the court and stay with Christian. Rose and Dimitri end up protecting her while being able together or will Rose have to give up guarding Lissa to be with Dimitri or give up dating Dimitri to guard Lissa or Dimitri give up guarding Lissa to be with Rose.

While I agree that Ambrose is suspicious, I don't think he would kill someone he loved. Maybe someone compelled him? That's one way I look at it. I mean, some of the non-spirit Moroi have apparantly been practicing compulsion, as we saw in Shadow Kiss. I don't want to think of Adrian doing it, but he did come to find Rose right after the probable time of death. But he wouldn't frame Rose, he loves her way too much to do that. If he did do it, he wouldn't let her get the blame. I also believe that this and the records stolen from the Alchemists may be connected.

I don't think it's Ambrose. I think he really loves the Queen and wouldn't hurt her. I still think Tasha might have done it. And yes, it is possible that someone compelled Ambrose. Just because Rose's enemy is a woman doesn't mean that she didn't compell someone else to do it. Could have been almost anyone. A guard, someone close to her (they would probably be allowed into her room), a servant or whatever. Hm...I never thought of the time thing, but I still don't think Adrian would have killed his aunt. If he wanted to hurt Rose, then why not just make sure Dimitri dies so she can never be with him, and then dump her or something? But I don't think he liked the age law thing so....two flies in one hit. But no, I don't think it was him. And I also think that the files are connected to this somehow. MAybe after getting rid of Rose, the person who stole the files could use the information in the files to bring Lissa down? I mean, if Rose did die, Lissa would go crazy and then brining her down wouldn't be that hard. Just a thought you know.

I'm with you. Tasha is a prime suspect. The person who killed the Queen didn't have training using a stake, so Ambrose and other dhampirs are out as suspects, even compelled ones would kill in one strike, not several. It had to be someone the Queen would be willing to talk to in her bedroom and wouldn't suspect as a danger, which Tasha fits the bill. She could've came to her under false pretense to help Lissa find her sibling. Then killed her as a sacrafice for her cause.

Plus, Tasha wasn't anywhere to be seen after the murder and didn't show up to the Rose's pretrial. She could've easily taken the stake from Rose's room, since Rose was too busy crying in the court for several hours after the whole Dimitri, love fades incident, which could've been the result of him being compelled. (which would be a sweet revenge of a bitter woman who was dumped for a young girl. Remember Dimitri choose Rose over Tasha in the past.)

And she has her own agenda when it comes to protecting the moroi. I can see her holding back Lissa if it benefits her agenda.

my thought is that the queen took them files so she could see if the rumors were true but i also dont think that ambrose did it and i have a strange feeling that maybe a moroi or strigoi had done it dont how the strigoi got in though

I think Ambrose stole the files cos Tatiana asked him to sneak in and steal them for her.

The killer left one hell of a shock on Tatiana's face, but could the shock be cos of Tasha or someone else?

Yeah I've thought of Ambrose stealing the files and it is a possibility. What stands in the files could say something about Lissa's half sister. Or brother but I think it's a sister cuz I think it's Jill.

That is a good question. Either she actually was shocked, or she faked it. I mean, since in the letter/ note/ whatever she gave to Rose, it sounded that she knew someone was going to murder her. So maybe she just faked the shock so that no one would realise that she knew it was going to happen. Because what it stood in the letter made me suspicius.

It seems like she wrote it cos she knew something bad was going happen to her cos of the new age law/decree. I think is was genuine shock on her face.

Ambrose would be steal the files for the Queen if she asked, but he would've had to leave the court for a day to get to where the files where. I don't see how if he was there with Rose that afternoon talking to her about her future.

I believe Tanitia had suspected something was wrong, but may have not known exactly who was behind it. When her killer entered her room acting as her friend and then pulled out the stake, she was shocked to find out it was them.

I also keep wondering if the killer was actually the woman Robert changed back from a striogi to a moroi, Tasha or Adrian's mother perhaps?

When Ambrose with Rose that afternoon, he said he'd just come back after being away, so he could've gone to steal the files before that afternoon. He wasn't even mentioned in the book until that afternoon.

It may sound crazy hell it is crazy but i still think it may be Adrian ( i hope not )

A few things made me suspicious of him. He showed up really fast in Las Vegas he could have been looking into lissa's father he seemed to know alot about Eric Dragomir and the bartender. Even Rose said he showed up fast. Could he have been the one that stole the files about Lissa's dad? When he bit Rose I thought he was using her. He told Rose about the Damphir ruling...he knew that would make Rose angry to hear that the age had been lowered...he knew Rose would say something...making her look guilty later on. I also found it weird when Adrian seemed to stay calm when he found out his Auntie died
he dident freak out like lissa or christain

Adrian uses spirit and that can be a strong weapon a long with compulsion. What if he got close to Rose so that he could use her? What if he sought Lissa out so that he could get stronger with his use of Spirit.


First I thought it was Ambrose but then when he gave Rose the note I thought no I don't think it's him.

I think Adrian used compulsion on the janitor to change the time the janitor saw him.

The motive might have been he probaley knows rose is going to drop him like a hot potato to go back to dimitri OR he might have been in a crazy spirit moment. Their are times when Adrian becomes really creepy and robert said to adrian he soon wont be able to tell dream from reality. I dunno thats what i think.

Deja vu!! Someone's already suggested Adrian lol, and I don't think it's him. He wouldn't kill his auntie if he was going to frame Rose, he loves her too much to just brake up the 'relationship' they have.

I posted this on another thread here also about the murderer, but here's my theory (well, yes, the Adrian-theory sounds very interesting too. I also thought of that, quite a lot.)

I read the book again and it got me thinking: what if the murderer is Adrian's mother, Daniella?

I mean, she was very particular about the time - she kept asking Adrian if he knew exactly when he'd joined Rose. Had the exact time of the murder been established by then? So soon after? And was it common knowledge?

And then she was very reluctant Rose should get the family lawyer, Damon. But once she'd made sure Damon was going to take on Rose she was very reluctant to let Abe take over. Had she told Damon to do something? Made up some kind of plan?

Also, do we know anything about Daniella? I assume she is Royal too, her family I mean. Have I perhaps missed reading about her in one of the previous books? We know that her husband is closely related to the Queen, but what about Daniella? What are her origins? And ambitions?

Also, I'm not entirely comfortable with her indifferent or almost positive attitude towards Adrian and Rose's relationship. I know that she is probably expecting him to choose a Moroi girl, and preferably a royal one, when he eventually settles down and that Rose is just a fling. But still...

The reason I don't think the murderer is Tasha is that there has already been treachery in that family, with Christian's parents betraying their own race. It would be too obvious if it is again the Ozeras that are the traitors.

These are just my thoughts at the moment. I can't wait to read what Richelle has in store for us. I'm sure it will come as a very big surprise whoever the murderer is. Also the motives for the killing of Tatiana.

I thought of Daniella as well because she was so eager to get Adrian off the hook and didn't care, more or less, about what happened to Rose after.

She could also be the woman from Vegas, that had an affair with Eric Dragomir, which means that Adrian could be Lissa's half-sibling, but we don't know the gender, or what age the half-sibling could be.

RubyGemJuly wrote:

She could also be the woman from Vegas, that had an affair with Eric Dragomir, which means that Adrian could be Lissa's half-sibling, but we don't know the gender, or what age the half-sibling could be.

Aahh! Yes, they are both spirit users, they could actually be sister and brother. And Daniella has got great opportunity to get to any secret papers, being one of the inner circle of royals. If she had an affair and it's about to leak out, she has got a motif. The queen was very set on Lissa and Adrian marrying and finding out that they are sister and brother would certainly come as a shock and spoil her plans.
But then again: why is it so important for Daniella to hide the truth, if that is the case? Any other scandal lurking?