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Nightchild
Posts : 161 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 27 Location : Somewhere you'll never find!
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:10 pm | |
| Lol I have gotten the two of my friends who reads a lot to read them and they love 'em. | |
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ktdraws
Posts : 17 Join date : 2010-05-03
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:54 pm | |
| I reread the first book and it basically has a bunch of spots where rose says things or people say things to her that end up happening. Really neat to reread and find them.
At the end when Rose goes to talk to Victor, he explains that sometimes you have to do things outside what is morally right.
So I believe it is Victor who has the queen killed ... he now has someone who can heal him... his brother or whomever that guy was and he is free from jail.
In the first and third book it is made apparent that he has nothing nice to say or think about the queen.
He is mad man with a mission and even though he may be out of jail ... he won't stop until he is either dead or completely reformed mori government.
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I don't think it was .. adrian's mother or father I did at first consider it but they have nothing to gain, none of them can be Queen or King because the previous one was of the same family.
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:52 pm | |
| I don't think it's Victor, he doesn't have a chance to become a king either. And as I mentioned before, I stick to the words of the fortune teller - the killer is a woman. I reread the first book, too. At one point Rose says she'll kill the queen and Lissa replies something like:"Shut up, they'll lock you up." | |
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Nightchild
Posts : 161 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 27 Location : Somewhere you'll never find!
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:28 am | |
| Yeah, I remember reading that. And I also think it's a woman. But I don't know who. I'm rereading Spirit Bound right now, looking for something that might give a clue to who it might be. | |
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 am | |
| - Nightchild wrote:
- I'm rereading Spirit Bound right now, looking for something that might give a clue to who it might be.
I'm rereading the whole series. Hopefully I'll come across something useful.. | |
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Savvy
Posts : 5 Join date : 2010-07-06 Age : 29 Location : Las Vegas
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:32 am | |
| It has to be something totally crazy! Ive tried to come up with multiple suspects, and I feel as if it shouldnt be someone that we all suspect so easily. It has to be someone that ties all the books together and we are all like "woahh! what just happened." If not then the author wouldn't be doing her job. I feel as if it would be someone that we kind of forgot about. I need to re read all the books to figure this mystery out! I know that we will all be shocked to find out who it really is, well hopefully! | |
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Savvy
Posts : 5 Join date : 2010-07-06 Age : 29 Location : Las Vegas
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:47 am | |
| - Phoenix wrote:
- I don't think it's Victor, he doesn't have a chance to become a king either.
And as I mentioned before, I stick to the words of the fortune teller - the killer is a woman. I reread the first book, too. At one point Rose says she'll kill the queen and Lissa replies something like:"Shut up, they'll lock you up." I think it could either be a boy or a girl. The last card she pulled said:(page 389) "The only thing thats not clear is whether its a girl or a boy" The person on the card looked young but had hair and an androgynous face that made the gender impossible to determine. The blue lights and tunic didnt help, though the sunny feild in the background looked promising. "it can be either," rhonda said. ... its someone trustworthy and creative. Optimistic. It could mean someone who goes on the journey with you- or maybe the reason for your journey. | |
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:57 pm | |
| - Savvy wrote:
- I think it could either be a boy or a girl. The last card she pulled said:(page 389)
"The only thing thats not clear is whether its a girl or a boy" The person on the card looked young but had hair and an androgynous face that made the gender impossible to determine. The blue lights and tunic didnt help, though the sunny feild in the background looked promising. "it can be either," rhonda said. ... its someone trustworthy and creative. Optimistic. It could mean someone who goes on the journey with you-or maybe the reason for your journey.
Someone trustworthy. The person who set her up is definitely not trustworthy. I think the card about Rose's enemy is the one talking about the killer and she specifically says it's a woman. I believe the last card is actually referring to someone who will help her. | |
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Savvy
Posts : 5 Join date : 2010-07-06 Age : 29 Location : Las Vegas
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:54 pm | |
| True. Wow this is going to drive me insane for another few months. | |
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ktdraws
Posts : 17 Join date : 2010-05-03
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:29 pm | |
| I am juggling between Victor and Adrian's Mom. However I don't think the queen's death will matter much, other than getting Rose off the hook from it. It had to happen in order for the book to progress.. The queen was just trying to stalemate everyone so getting rid of her allows one of the two sides to win. Going to be interesting now. . . I kind of hope the person is someone we never really would think of. I mean Rose kind of made herself an easy target, which is why it can be anyone. | |
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aimee09
Posts : 13 Join date : 2010-07-07
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:06 am | |
| This just occurred to me only because I feel that whoever stabbed the queen must be someone who knew what they were doing.. what about Mia? I know she has turned good since her mother passed away. What if she wanted her revenge to the court and to Rose after all she did to her? It's just a thought! I don't know if I do believe Mia could have possibly did it. I think it is someone more stronger and smarter but it was just a crazy thought! | |
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:10 am | |
| I thought of Mia, too. But I don't know, really. If we're sticking to the theory of the killer being a woman, it could be Adrian's mother, Mia, Tasha... I mean, it could be anyone, probably someone we would never suspect. | |
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aimee09
Posts : 13 Join date : 2010-07-07
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:13 am | |
| Yes, I agree. It may be someone who do not even know of or it could be someone that we have read over and over again. | |
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:15 am | |
| Or someone that we have forgotten about. Someone mentioned Avery, for example. But I'm not sure if that's very likely. | |
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elena
Posts : 6 Join date : 2010-07-11
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:17 pm | |
| I feel it was Ambrose, but in the end I am not sure!!! | |
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ShadowOfTheStorm
Posts : 28 Join date : 2010-07-16 Location : on top
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:59 pm | |
| I really dont think it was ambrose. Why would he kill the queen? He was the one who defended her when Rose talked crap about her. The queen's murderer probably had something to do with Lissa's parents death. | |
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kitty1eye
Posts : 22 Join date : 2010-05-31
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:52 pm | |
| I've thought a lot about it, and I believe it must be a high ranking Moroi. Who else would have that kind of access to the queen? It had to be someone who knew how to get in and out of the queen's room without being seen. They either knew a secret way or could use compulsion on the guardians to make them forget what happened. They could have even used compulsion to make a guardian kill the queen.
I think it's a Moroi that wants to force all dhampirs to become guardians whether they want to or not.
I noticed that Tasha wasn't in the story after Rose was accused. She wasn't even mentioned as being at the hearing. That doesn't mean she wasn't, but we didn't hear anything else about her near the end of the book. I think she was there when the queen announced the new age law. There was no mention about her speaking up for Rose after Rose was accused. I don't think Tasha killed the queen, but it just seemed to me like she was missing from the last part. | |
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Phoenix
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 29 Location : Dimitri's bed
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:13 am | |
| - kitty1eye wrote:
- I noticed that Tasha wasn't in the story after Rose was accused. She wasn't even mentioned as being at the hearing. That doesn't mean she wasn't, but we didn't hear anything else about her near the end of the book. I think she was there when the queen announced the new age law. There was no mention about her speaking up for Rose after Rose was accused. I don't think Tasha killed the queen, but it just seemed to me like she was missing from the last part.
You're right, I'm just not sure what it means. It is possible that Tasha is the killer, because it would be a surprise and I think that's what we're going to get. And she's a woman, obviously, which means it goes along with the words of the fortune-teller. She also had certain motives, to get rid of the queen as well as Rose. I'm not sure if I can imagine Tasha as the killer, though. | |
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ElaBella
Posts : 2202 Join date : 2010-07-21 Age : 30 Location : Wherever the adventure is...
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:34 am | |
| In one of the cards that Rose got, it said that she had a massive enemy, and she thought it was Tatiana, but now it seems that it's the killer and not the dead Queen that hates her. It's all very mysterious and I just love a good mystery. I don't think Avery is capable of doing such a thing and she's in a mental home or something right? Tasha is still possible and I didn't notice that she wasn't in the last part of the book, that's kind of strange. I don't think Mia did it because she's now friends with Rose and I don't think she'll do something like that to her.
Adrian's mother is very possible but how would she get hold of Rose's stake, and does she know how to stake a vampire? That's the tricky bit with her. There are so many possibilities, it could be anyone at Court!!
This person must have experience and access to almost everywhere in Court. Rose doesn't have that kind of access so it has to be a royal in a way. Even though Rose does experience of killing, she wouldn't be that stupid in killing the Queen and to leave her prints on the stake so the killer really had a difficult job setting her up but somehow knew that the other royals in charge would go for the first possible traitor and then kill him/her and in this case Rose. I really hate the character who set Rose up. | |
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kitty1eye
Posts : 22 Join date : 2010-05-31
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:54 pm | |
| I'm not sure about Daniella yet. She may be against Rose, or she may be there to distract us. Daniella is the one who came to invite Rose to the family dinner two days before the queen was killed. Maybe she was trying to get Rose out of her room so someone could sneak in and get her stake.
The tarot reading said Rose had an emeny. Are we sure it' a female? There are only so many females that Rose knows.
Alberta - highly unlikely Janine (Mom) - highly unlikely Tasha - seems unlikely to me, but who knows Tatiana - very likley, but of course dead Daniella - seems almost too nice to be true, especially from the Tarus/Ivashkov family Mia or Avery - Any younger girl couldn't pull off something like this, but I do think Avery could have been one of the spirit users in prison that Lissa sensed.
Are there any other women Rose has had a fair amount of contact with? | |
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Nightchild
Posts : 161 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 27 Location : Somewhere you'll never find!
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:49 am | |
| Well there's Jill but she's a kid and adores Rose so I do not think it's her. Then there's Sydney and she hates vampires but I highly doubt that she would kill the Queen. It could be anyone but I think it must be someone who's at court 'cause it would be hard the get in and such. And I don't think it's anyone of those you said but I can be wrong. I think you could be right about Avery being one of the spirit users in prison that Lissa sensed.
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ElaBella
Posts : 2202 Join date : 2010-07-21 Age : 30 Location : Wherever the adventure is...
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:39 am | |
| I agree about Avery but I wonder who was the other spirit user there. I have a feeling Rose will need one of they're help with clearing her name. | |
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Nightchild
Posts : 161 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 27 Location : Somewhere you'll never find!
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:27 am | |
| Yea but haven't they gone crazy?? | |
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ElaBella
Posts : 2202 Join date : 2010-07-21 Age : 30 Location : Wherever the adventure is...
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:40 am | |
| Avery has but we don't know anything about the other user. | |
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Nightchild
Posts : 161 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 27 Location : Somewhere you'll never find!
| Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:41 pm | |
| Yea but since they're in that mental thingie shouldn't that mean that they gone crazy?? | |
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