Twilight Versus Vampire Academy

SecretMagic wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

I love both Twilight and Vampire Academy. Twilight was the series that got me addicted to Vampire books, so for that I was always love it. I know it has flaws (major flaws) but I can't help loving it. It displays intense and sometimes unrealistic love, but as a hopeless romantic I find that's part of it's appeal. I can identify with Bella more than Rose, mainly because Bella is more human than Rose; she's more on the intellectual than physical side of things; goes to a 'normal' high school and has 'normal' teenage crushes/friends (if you don't count the vampires and werewolves) But I like Vampire Academy is written, better than Twilight. It flows a bit more smoothly and the constant action makes it exciting.

So I can really say one is better than the other, because both appeal to me for different reasons. If I had to pick one at this moment it would be Vampire Academy. Why? Well there are at least 2 more books to be released, so the excitement continues. Twilight has stopped (if you don't count the movies which are never as good as the books anyway), so the excitement has kind of stopped to. But I still love them both.

^If by Bella being more human than Rose, you mean that she wasn't born Vampiric, to begin with, as she wasn't even a half-vampiress, either, for that matter, right?

At least until Breaking Dawn rolls in, but that novel...i heard that it doesn't have an epic final battle, at all, doesn't it?

Yes, that's what I meant. She begins a bit more "human" than Rose. Obviously by Breaking Dawn Bella's not really all that human anymore.

^But does Breaking Dawn kills, in all the wrong ways?

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Tonystark616 wrote:

^But does Breaking Dawn kills, in all the wrong ways?

I don't think it does. It has it's moments when the plot is just ridiculous. But it does have a happy ending, so the warm and fuzzy feelings continue.

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SecretMagic wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

^But does Breaking Dawn kills, in all the wrong ways?

I don't think it does. It has it's moments when the plot is just ridiculous. But it does have a happy ending, so the warm and fuzzy feelings continue.

I meant that, by the time you get to the ending, too many things end up going wrong with the novel, itself, like everyone becoming a magically powerful warrior without Combat Experience, or even a final battle, of course.

[quote="Tonystark616"][quote="SecretMagic"]

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

^But does Breaking Dawn kills, in all the wrong ways?

I don't think it does. It has it's moments when the plot is just ridiculous. But it does have a happy ending, so the warm and fuzzy feelings continue.

I meant that, by the time you get to the ending, too many things end up going wrong with the novel, itself, like everyone becoming a magically powerful warrior without Combat Experience, or even a final battle, of course.

I see you point. But despite all its flaws I still can't bring myself to hate it. I like the characters and their lives too much to escape the Twilight world.

I too was introduced to the satisfying genre of vampire novels by Twilight, and therefore the series will forever be one of my favorites. But as many have already said, I feel that VA was written better, "more flow" and I am not sure if this is just me, but whenever I start a new series at all I temporarily allow it to become my obsession.

But only afterwards can I look back on each series I have read and decide which one's were best and why.

And all books have their srengths and weaknesses, so I guess it really comes down to which strengths cling to you most and which weaknesses annoy you the most, haha.

Hanner wrote:

I too was introduced to the satisfying genre of vampire novels by Twilight, and therefore the series will forever be one of my favorites. But as many have already said, I feel that VA was written better, "more flow" and I am not sure if this is just me, but whenever I start a new series at all I temporarily allow it to become my obsession.

But only afterwards can I look back on each series I have read and decide which one's were best and why.

And all books have their strengths and weaknesses, so I guess it really comes down to which strengths cling to you most and which weaknesses annoy you the most, haha.

Still...i wonder how to deal with the idea of a lack of final battle, at all, in a remotely decent epic, without which, there might not be anything epic about the series, to begin with.

For me, I don't believe everything has to end with a battle. There has to be a struggle, something to be overcome and while a battle adds to that struggle, it's not exactly necessary.
After reading why Stephenie Meyer didn't create a final battle in Breaking Dawn, I can't say I blame her for doing it. I, too, wouldn't want all my favourite characters (those I've come to know and love so well) to be murdered at the end. Being one for happy endings I always fear what will happen during a battle, I don't want to lose anyone special.

Then again, I can see why some people don't agree with me (or Stephenie), because there's strength in death within stories. It makes them slightly more real as they create love and loss.

I can see that you have a lot of patience, i'll give you that, but how about dealing with very painful injuries that would take months just to fully deal with?

This might hurt whatever movies that would be made out of Breaking Dawn, wouldn't it?

Turthfully I'm not a big fan of books being made to movies. I love seeing what occurs, but then again a movie can't capture a book in the same sense; you don't get the same emotions pushing through. So I'm worried about how they're display those sorts of injuries myself.
For New Moon (and emotional injuries), Stephenie Meyer kind of does it for us in the book: skipping the months, so displaying that part won't be too difficult. But I can't see them succeeding as well as it's portrayed in the novel.

SecretMagic wrote:

Turthfully I'm not a big fan of books being made to movies. I love seeing what occurs, but then again a movie can't capture a book in the same sense; you don't get the same emotions pushing through. So I'm worried about how they're display those sorts of injuries myself.
For New Moon (and emotional injuries), Stephenie Meyer kind of does it for us in the book: skipping the months, so displaying that part won't be too difficult. But I can't see them succeeding as well as it's portrayed in the novel.

^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M.
In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either.
But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it?

Tonystark616 wrote:

^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M.
In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either.
But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it?

Oh, definitely not my first forum site (especially when discussing Twilight.)

I don't think you can compare different books/movies (etc.) based on their battles alone; nor can these books/movies (etc.) be judged on whether they have a battle or not. The Harry Potter final battle killed me. All those fabulous characters, gone. (Though it doesn't change my view of the series.) I don't know enough about Avatar to say anything for or against it in the sense of battle scenes.

Although I would have loved to see the Volturi struck down by the Cullens in Breaking Dawn, I can't change what was written, and I don't want to. In a way it leaves the Twilight world open for continuation. Sure, they didn't fight and no-one was killing in Breaking Dawn; but who's to say another book won't be written in the future where an almighty battle takes place and wipes all the vampires out of existence?

SecretMagic wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M.
In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either.
But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it?

Oh, definitely not my first forum site (especially when discussing Twilight.)

I don't think you can compare different books/movies (etc.) based on their battles alone; nor can these books/movies (etc.) be judged on whether they have a battle or not. The Harry Potter final battle killed me. All those fabulous characters, gone. (Though it doesn't change my view of the series.) I don't know enough about Avatar to say anything for or against it in the sense of battle scenes.

Although I would have loved to see the Volturi struck down by the Cullens in Breaking Dawn, I can't change what was written, and I don't want to. In a way it leaves the Twilight world open for continuation. Sure, they didn't fight and no-one was killing in Breaking Dawn; but who's to say another book won't be written in the future where an almighty battle takes place and wipes all the vampires out of existence?

You might have a point, there, but i don't know if anyone would have the patience to wait it out, if that would ever happen.But as for the Final Battle in the Potterworld, i might have to disagree, as some of them are still breathing, right now, but i won't say which ones are.

Spoiler:

In any case, what is the point of Isabella Swan gaining all that power that a full-blooded Vampiress could have, if they aren't even going to bother to test it out, much, if at all?

Even Gundam:SEED:Destiny tried to get Athrun Zala, a regular Coordinator who pilots giant robots known as Mobile Suits, to use the Infinite Justice Gundam to its maximum capabilities, but there wasn't enough episodes to be able to show what it could really do, especially when compared to the Strike Freedom and the Akutsuki Gundams, in the final battle.

Tonystark616 wrote:

In any case, what is the point of Isabella Swan gaining all that power that a full-blooded Vampiress could have, if they aren't even going to bother to test it out, much, if at all?

I have no answer for that one, unless it comes back to my other point: it could be explored in a future book.
Though I love that she gained some super cool power, it's kind of annoying that it took her hardly anytime to learn its boundaries, it just suddenly worked for her as though an extension of how to breathe.

^Even Kira Yamato, of the Cosmic Era Gundam shows, which would include Gundam:SEED and Gundam:SEED:Destiny, at least showed us what he could do with the right mobile suit, but Bella is far worse off than Kira is, since she doesn't even have the excuse of being the Ultimate Vampiress going for her, or something like that.

haha, She's hardly got an excuse for anything. All ordinary and average and then suddenly Wonder-Vampire!, without even knowing how she got there. Pathetic.

SecretMagic wrote:

haha, She's hardly got an excuse for anything. All ordinary and average and then suddenly Wonder-Vampire!, without even knowing how she got there. Pathetic.

You got that one, right, and it was because she was dying, as she was bleeding out her own blood on the floor, that she would either lose her humanity or her life.

At least Harry James Potter, or for that matter, Perseus Jackson, had been tested with their combat talents and skills, time, time, and again, before anyone would be able to get to either The Deathly Hallows or The Last Olympian, in which both of them, in each of those novels, were at their prime.

And did i forget to mention that Percy happens to be a Demigod?

I don't deny that there are definite and quite obvious flaws within the Twilight series. I'd be a fool if I tried to say it was the perfect story. For that matter I don't think any story is perfect, but others just had a few better qualities than Twilight does.

And i'd also be a fool, if i didn't consider the fact of the matter that the Twilight novels encouraged me to look up Vampires, some more, as well as when i began to hear of the Strigoi, for that matter.

For me the problem with the ending was that it was left on almost a cliff-hanger of sorts.
Because it wasn't like ok, everything is all better now, the end.
It was more like ok everything is alright, for now, until we decide to come back and put you in your place....

It had me craving another book.

Hanner wrote:

For me the problem with the ending was that it was left on almost a cliff-hanger of sorts.
Because it wasn't like ok, everything is all better now, the end.
It was more like ok everything is alright, for now, until we decide to come back and put you in your place....

It had me craving another book.

And not just with the Volturi.
We were left hanging with so many other things. We've now got half-vampires running around the place, with god only knows what abilities.

I mean, I like having books that allow you to wonder what else could happen in their lives/universe, but not that much.

SecretMagic wrote:

Hanner wrote:

For me the problem with the ending was that it was left on almost a cliff-hanger of sorts.
Because it wasn't like ok, everything is all better now, the end.
It was more like ok everything is alright, for now, until we decide to come back and put you in your place....

It had me craving another book.

And not just with the Volturi.
We were left hanging with so many other things. We've now got half-vampires running around the place, with god only knows what abilities.

I mean, I like having books that allow you to wonder what else could happen in their lives/universe, but not that much.

They already have plenty of half-vampires all over the place, when the Vampire Academy novels brought them up, and there were plenty of Half-Vamps even before either the V.A or Twilight novels occured.

What Half-Vampires would be capable of, however, would depend on the parent or grandparent breed of full-blooded vampire, in question, on this, i have no doubt in my mind about it.

But regardless of what breed Half-Vamps would come from, you can't deny that in any case, they would still thrive in sunlight, unlike their general Full-blooded counterparts who aren't their Vampire Patriarchs.

But each of those books are different in terms of abilities the vampires have, breeds, whatever else.
But I suppose i understand.

I get annoyed at the possibility of half-vampires in Twilight. At least it was stated right from the beginning in Vampire Academy that vampires can breed. Stephenie Meyer had us all believing that vampires in her world were completely frozen in time, but apparently that was only the case with female vampires, and suddenly we've got Renesmee. It was a twist no-one excepted. And I know the point of a twist is that it wasn't expected, but usually there's some plausibility in the mix.

blondestrigoi wrote:

i have read both vampire academy and twilight more than once and i have to say that vampire academy is better. if you think about what's the point of twilight? so, bella meats edward and then she becomes a vampire and all that. the end. then you think about vampire academy and how rose learns all of this stuff and becomes more mature and whatever. if you compare the two series you can see that vampire academy actually makes sense while twilight just talks about stuff. so, i have to say that vampire academy is better.

Thank you!! Twilight is basically 4 books which is like 2000 pages that tell us nothing except Bella is going to turn into a vampire. VA on the other hand. With sexy badass gods around the corner and danger, gore, sex and angst, is there even a competition?

essa.
out...

SecretMagic wrote:

I get annoyed at the possibility of half-vampires in Twilight. At least it was stated right from the beginning in Vampire Academy that vampires can breed. Stephenie Meyer had us all believing that vampires in her world were completely frozen in time, but apparently that was only the case with female vampires, and suddenly we've got Renesmee. It was a twist no-one excepted. And I know the point of a twist is that it wasn't expected, but usually there's some plausibility in the mix.

Don't forget that, at least there might have been an off-chance that some of the Breeds, in question, could actually deal with psychic powers, for that matter, S.M.