Twilight doesnt deserve to have so much attention...*sigh*...

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

that last one was funny Cross thanks for that. lol So true!

It's worse than Rose and Lissa's cases, isn't it, Jill?

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JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

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Could you please elaborate why Bella's an even worse Sue than Rose and Lissa are?Because aside from Rose and Lissa at least barely doing enough to earn a D grade to Bella's F Grade, in terms of Plot-Armor justification, i just don't want it to merely sound like taking the lesser of two evils, without more meaning!

Tonystark616 wrote:

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

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Could you please elaborate why Bella's an even worse Sue than Rose and Lissa are?Because aside from Rose and Lissa at least barely doing enough to earn a D grade to Bella's F Grade, in terms of Plot-Armor justification, i just don't want it to merely sound like taking the lesser of two evils, without more meaning!

Because Bella embodies all of it where as Rose only embodies some. Roses character is constantly full of growth towards her independence where as Bella only grows from one sue to another each time it gets worse and worse. While rose is moving forward Bella and going backwards towards her dependence on everyone else. AS for Rose she earns her fierceness, and Lissa's powers remain part of the unraveling mystery plot. Bella has no plot and has no mystery, there for she is utter random and pointless as far as the story goes. Her only purpose is a narrator. If bella was written in the third person she wouldn't exist at all. Her character would have been cut during editing. Thus the would be nothing. Bella is the nothing of nothingness.

It comes down to Rose and Lissa grow with the story. Bella fades into the bleakness of the chaotic background embracing chaos itself.

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

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Could you please elaborate why Bella's an even worse Sue than Rose and Lissa are?Because aside from Rose and Lissa at least barely doing enough to earn a D grade to Bella's F Grade, in terms of Plot-Armor justification, i just don't want it to merely sound like taking the lesser of two evils, without more meaning!

Because Bella embodies all of it where as Rose only embodies some. Roses character is constantly full of growth towards her independence where as Bella only grows from one sue to another each time it gets worse and worse. While rose is moving forward Bella and going backwards towards her dependence on everyone else. AS for Rose she earns her fierceness, and Lissa's powers remain part of the unraveling mystery plot. Bella has no plot and has no mystery, there for she is utter random and pointless as far as the story goes. Her only purpose is a narrator. If bella was written in the third person she wouldn't exist at all. Her character would have been cut during editing. Thus the would be nothing. Bella is the nothing of nothingness.

It comes down to Rose and Lissa grow with the story. Bella fades into the bleakness of the chaotic background embracing chaos itself.

So Bella Swan is also worse than the Olympian Demi-Gods of either the ancient or modern times, as well, for that matter, isn't She?I figured as much, but i never had as much reason to consider that, up till now...just that the Di Angelo Siblings, if they can get enough kills, would overpower the twilight zone, quite quickly, while also being able to contain the collateral damages better than Percy and Thalia could.

yup

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

yup

The Olympian Demi-Gods were practically built to destroy Mary Sues and Monsters, alike, weren't they?It's just that apparently their parents and GrandParents forgot to get most of them to learn how to not have so much Collateral damages involved in the process, somehow, Jill.

http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/6874/Percy-Jackson-and-The-Olympians-The-Lightning-Thief-Trailer

At last...a fragile hope for the movie series, left, in succeeding in cleansing the stupid out of the Vampire Sub-Genre!It helps a lot that the battles of P.J.O are better than most of the battles of the Potter-World, in at least the scale department, and far better than the battles of Vampire Academy in general[which are lucky to be better than most of the twilight battles, i won't take that away!]

Maybe...we can make a positive difference to save what is left of good fantasy, after all, and put an end to the Character-Assassination-fest that the twilight series had became!

it was a sad sad day today when the news' top story was all the sold out shows for New moon. 1 the fact that that qualifies for news is a unbearable. 2. damn all these twiteensfan's actually suckered their parents hard earned cash to buy into this tragedy is beyond me. I wonder just how many of these parents have not read Breaking Dawn, if they did I can hardly see them condoning this series.

JILL-JILLIAN-JUST JILL wrote:

it was a sad sad day today when the news' top story was all the sold out shows for New moon. 1 the fact that this qualifies for news is so unbearable. 2. damn it!How all these twiteensfan's actually suckered their parents' hard earned cash to buy into this tragedy is beyond me. I wonder just how many of these parents have not read Breaking Dawn, if they did I can hardly see them condoning this series.

I feel just as saddened as you do, Jill...apparently people wanted to get back at Warner Bros, but they picked all the wrong means of doing so!

The ends don't always justify the means, nor would the means always justify the ends, right, Jill?If the New Moon movie ended up better than the Order Of The Phoenix movie, it will not be worth saying much[particularly since one of my friends, Azukeri Mercer, knew that it was because of the foot-shootings of movie 5 and the earlier movies, plus J.K.R somehow contributing to the foot-shooting, unwittingly, in the movies, as much as we respect her!]

If the Percy Jackson And The Olympians movies end up better than the Potter-World + twilight movies, i hope we can look back, and all agree that its worth saying a lot, in that time, but only time will tell if that will ever happen!

Has anyone heard about or read nightlight the parody?
I've just started reading it. Its kind of funny.

L.Dragomir wrote:

Has anyone heard about or read nightlight the parody?
I've just started reading it. Its kind of funny.

This must be more epic than the twilight sequels, themselves[in which one could just enjoy the analyzation of the series!]

I get that Twilight and Va are entirely different and don't condone comparisons, but I would like the point out one thing:
Don't you ever get tired of the whole Damsel in distress bit? i mean, in all four of the Twilight books it seems that nearly every waking moment Bella is in need of some kind of rescuing. Which is more than slightly annoying to me. I got really sick of all the angst in New Moon. I mean, at least Rose had some kind of control over her grief. Not once did jumping off a cliff or doing anything remotely destructive cross her mind. And Rose proves to be a very capable character. She is more likely to do things herself than to ask for help. Maybe it's just me, but I really do tire of female main characters being forever needy.
*steps calmly off soap box*

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Has anyone heard about or read nightlight the parody?
I've just started reading it. Its kind of funny.

No, but I've heard of (and read an excerpt of) a parody called 'Twilite' by Stephen Jenner. Absolutely hilarious.

Rose's Plot-Armor is more justifiable than Bella's Plot-Armor is, since technically if you're an athlete, you can go do some of the dangerous stunts in snowboarding, and make it, realistically[although being half-vamp at birth has its benefits as well!]but if you decide to jump off the cliff beyond the 40 feet mark, in far trashier weather conditions...you're done, period!

This...is coming from a guy who felt Mr. Potter earned an Exceeds Expectations mark in justifying plot-armor, and who felt that Perseus Jackson had done an outstanding job, justifying it, for that matter, too.

Tonystark616 wrote:

Rose's Plot-Armor is more justifiable than Bella's Plot-Armor is, since technically if you're an athlete, you can go do some of the dangerous stunts in snowboarding, and make it, realistically[although being half-vamp at birth has its benefits as well!]but if you decide to jump off the cliff beyond the 40 feet mark, in far trashier weather conditions...you're done, period!

This...is coming from a guy who felt Mr. Potter earned an Exceeds Expectations mark in justifying plot-armor, and who felt that Perseus Jackson had done an outstanding job, justifying it, for that matter, too.

I'm not really understanding you, Tony. Explain, please?

Magic Hour wrote:

Tonystark616 wrote:

Rose's Plot-Armor is more justifiable than Bella's Plot-Armor is, since technically if you're an athlete, you can go do some of the dangerous stunts in snowboarding, and make it, realistically[although being half-vamp at birth has its benefits as well!]but if you decide to jump off the cliff beyond the 40 feet mark, in far trashier weather conditions...you're done, period!

This...is coming from a guy who felt Mr. Potter earned an Exceeds Expectations mark in justifying plot-armor, and who felt that Perseus Jackson had done an outstanding job, justifying it, for that matter, too.

I'm not really understanding you, Tony. Explain, please?

Jill would easily realize the basics of this stuff[another beautiful thing on being a Potter-World fan, is that you have some sort of real clue on what the hell you would speak of, which is where the twilight fanbase in general began to lack!]since Bella abused plot-armor worse than Rose did, really.That makes it sadder, since Bella had too much potential to be someone like Andromeda[the Original Andromeda who married the first Perseus, who was a son of Zeus!]as Edward should have been as great as, if not greater than the 1st Perseus was, since that Perseus was the first Demigod to kill Medusa, ever, in the ancient times.

Uhm.. alrighty then. Just a little bit over my head. I get the HP stuff completely, though. LOOVE Harry Potter(:

God! I havent been to this topic for a while.
Cross you still confusing people??
Hehe just kidding Cross I Luv Ya!
So what we talking bout huh?

~5.18.2010~

rozaluvsdimka4eva wrote:

God! I havent been to this topic for a while.
Cross you still confusing people??
Hehe just kidding Cross I Luv Ya!
So what we talking bout huh?

~5.18.2010~

I brought up how tired I am of female main characters being so needy and how Rose is a perfect example of a strong heroine, unlike Bella in the Twilight series.
That is, until I was left in a confused state by Tony's rather startling comparisons of the two. And, I think, Greek Mythology...

hehe i know he'll talk for a reason then go off topic
and yeah Rose is my fave heroine see is just like me its freakin uncanny

She is one of my favorites. One of friends is forever making comparisons between Rose and I. I'll put a Rose-quote on my Facebook status and whatnot, and she always tells me that I'm exactly like her.
We DO share a lot of the sarcastic comments. I've actually found some things in VA that I've said once of twice before. It's insane.

That's another thing that separates Bella from Rose. Bella seems to have a very limited sense of humor, while Rose shoots out sarcastic remarks like nobody's business. Another thing I like about her.

which is why i love VA...so many diverse ppl can strongly relate and identify which each character.

Peace love n VA wrote:

which is why i love VA...so many diverse ppl can strongly relate and identify which each character.

Exactly.
Also, it isn't easy to predict. I mean, *I* never expected Mead would do some of the things she did, and I really wasn't all that mad that she did because it fit well with the story.

hell yes!!
i have a few twilight junkies in my loop still! i told them to move on to this a ma zing series and they are like ilovetwilight! i cant move on *says in preppy voice "i want to choke my self"* im like twilight is gay!
but yeah im the one who says Comrade! ive been saying that since i learned my great unlce as a soviet! wired...?
but yeah i make sarcastic comments, ima smartass, i have a good and bad additude, i like to party and drink when the occasion calls for it, and i train with my dad in mixed martial arts he's like obsessed with it and i like the moves he does so he taught me and now im leathal, i might have to register my hands to use them for lethal defensive force. and i got or had a bf named ironically enough a Russian Transfer Student named Demetri we'll get back to gether when my heart heals from another relationship i had

At least Vampire Academy wasn't built out of Anita Blake leftovers[although i plan to read the series one day!] that's something they have over twilight.Another thing, is that Vampire Academy is less whitewashed than twilight is, to a meaningful extent.