Twilight by Stephenie Meyer

At least Vampire Academy didn't end up with Anita Blake leftovers, at all, right?

I love Twilight, the good and bad of it.
however, VA is now the favorite of my world

Mandyjg20 wrote:

I love Twilight, the good and bad of it.
however, VA is now the favorite of my world

That has much to do with Vampire Academy's lack of Anita Blake leftovers[nothing personal against the novels or the fans, though!] along with the lack of Climax Censorship, right?

I never read Anita Blake stuff. What is that about?
It also has to do with not having a real fighting really, like in VA they kick ass, in Breaking Dawn there just stare eachother down kinda boring

It's only in Eclipse we see any real kombat, whatsoever, and even then, alot of it will be censored in the novel, right?>_>

yes!

Mandyjg20 wrote:

yes!

I knew kombat would be censored within the novels.>_>

Continuing from the graphics forum, lol....

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Well then the publisher or someone should SAY something like, "The book has now been delayed until all the movies are made, sorry for any inconvenience". They shouldn't just leave people hanging! IMO, that's totally irresponsible and all it will do is make people mad and say "To hell with you!"

I couldn't stand The Host, at all. I thought it was boring, and the characters unsympathetic. I especially hated Wanda! I hated Jared, too. I just basically hated them all. I understand that The Host is a more adult book, and I respect that...but adult doesn't have to mean snore-fest. I have read many an adult book (Harlequins, Anita Blake, and some authors I won't mention here because I don't want underagers going and looking them up), and they were actually interesting, the stories move along at a good pace. The Host dragged on and on. Plus, I don't care for aliens...outside of Star Trek, they're kinda stupid.

SM should be an adult, suck it up, get over her "boo hoo violation" and publish the damn book while Twilight is still hot. I think SM's sucky-baby attitude stinks.

Stephenie just answered a lot of fan questions in honor of the New Moon premiere and this is what she had to say on the subject of Midnight Sun:

"I've found that there really isn't any answer I can give that changes the substance or tenor of the myriads of requests, pleadings, and demands I get for Midnight Sun to be finished, so I feel a little silly answering that question at all. But it's the most popular question, so I'll take another stab at it.

I am not working on Midnight Sun now. I don't have a plan for when I'll get to it; I don't know now what the right time for it will be.

In your questions, there were some erroneous conclusions about the situation which I'll try to set straight. First, Midnight Sun is not finished and locked in a safe, waiting for me to be done angsting over the leak. If it were done, I would be throwing it on the bookstore shelves myself. I'd love to be able to give it to all the people who are anxiously waiting for it. Second, I am not upset about the leak. I haven't been for a long time; I was over it after about three weeks. Third, and most important, I am not trying to punish anyone. Not the persons who leaked it, not the people who read the leak, nobody. As I said, it would make me very happy to be able to give it to anyone who wants it.

So why the hold up? Because it's not finished and lying in a safe. It's not done, and finishing it is not a simple matter of sitting down in front of my computer and typing out the words; the words have to be there in my head to type out, and right now, they're not. I have to be in the zone to write any story, and trying to force myself into that zone is a waste of time, I've found. I'll get back to Midnight Sun when the story is compelling to me again. Just because people want it so badly does not make it more write-able; kind of the opposite, actually. I need to be alone with a story to write, and Midnight Sun feels really crowded, if you know what I mean.

People write for different reasons. I have always written to make myself happy. If I'm enjoying a story, feeling the creativity flow, engrossed in a world, then I write and I write fast. If I'm not into it, I can't write. I've never been someone who writes on demand and I can't imagine working that way. As cool as it would be to say to my favorite author, "You know, I'd really like to read a great book about a narwhal mafia. Write that for me, 'kay?" or even "I'd love a sequel to that last one," that's not how it works. How it works is that my favorite author writes a new book about whatever he/she is interested in. Maybe it takes a year, maybe it takes five. If it's something I want to read, I buy it or I check it out at the library. If not, I find something else to read. The end."

So there you have it. If she isn't inspired, she isn't inspired. Honestly, I respect your opinion about The Host, but it's still my favorite book so I'm stoked about the upcoming sequels. Also, I know she's busy with other projects: 1) a ghost story called Summer House; 2) a novel about time travel; and 3) a novel about mermaids, which are called "sirens" in the story (like from Greek mythology). I'd be glad to read other works she does. Midnight Sun always seemed like frosting to me anyway. Yes, I'd love to read it, but if I'd never known about it, I'd still like the Twilight Saga just as much. It wouldn't feel incomplete. So I can be patient waiting for MS.

Regardless how i feel about Twilight now, once upon a time i was huge fan- obsessed even. It was up until Twilight the movie came out when i stopped being a fan. But i still have my times when i'm a little nostalgic for the world of Forks. It's ironic cause today I found myself on SM's site reading that and directly after logged on to Shadow Bite and saw this thread.

I have to admit when Midnight Sun first got leaked and SM was all offended and hurt and said she will not be finishing Midnight sun... I understood to a certain extend because I have aspirations to be a writer as well and if my stuff got leaked- i would be upset too. However, I always felt she was being "childish" in her reaction- because it's not the fans fault it got leaked. Plus she put such emphasis on how that was unedited copy and not a representation of her ability as writer which i thought was such bull.

I also felt it was cop out because it was shortly after Breaking Dawn was released and she lost a whole fan base with that book. it seemed she didn't want to release something in the twilight saga that would further negatively affect her. It appeared she was making a reputation call and i didnt like that .

But she did always make her decision known. So i don't fault her for that. She did state the situation and let the fans know it would not be published. I found out almost immediately after she made that decision which was AWHILE ago. She did repeatedly answer the question of midnight sun and put it out there. It's not like she just decided she didnt want to write it anymore and said the hell with the everyone and never made it publicly known. She did. She made a decision, presented her case. I didn't feel she left anyone hanging.

I actually prefer The Host over the Twilight saga. I thought it was weird and quirky. But i thought the story was good and the romance was way better than twilight. Even her writing was better than twilight.

If she carried out Midnight Sun, maybe i might consider changing my mind on the twilight sequels being Vampire Academy Rip-Offs that don't deserve to be called a Saga, yet they're lucky to have more tolerable movies than most of the Post-Columbus Harry Potter movies[exceptions with movies 3 and 6, even then, they're struggling!] but that has mainly to do with the Potter-World movies being mis-managed, to the point where a significant decrease in the fan-base occured.The O.O.T.P movie solidified it, for the most part, in the same reversed[or was it inverted?] sense that the twilight sequels in novel form were...kinda bad, for the most part.

That said, i am hoping for one thing for sure...if the twilight novels ever wished to regain the honestly good standing they once had, and if the Potter-world movies need more reason to go further in redeeming themselves and be remembered for all the right reasons apart from the music and casting calls, they should both take positive lessons from the Percy Jackson And The Olympians series, by Rick Riordan!

[Of course, having Riordan as an executive producer for twilight sequels on the main story, even helping to write the battles, at least, plus having some of the P.J.O movie crew involved with the final two movies wouldn't be so bad, either!]

Given my bad experience with The Host, I would not spend the money and buy any of her other books. I'd borrow them from the library. If that means having to wait a few months, then I have to wait a few months. The ghost story sounds like it has potential. The condescension of explaining that mermaids = sirens from SM I don't need. As an educated adult, SM doesn't need to explain that to me. Ugh. That must be another book aimed at youngsters who aren't educated in mythology.

I just wonder how much longer SM thinks she can milk that Twilight cash cow. Maybe when she sees that profits are going to take a nose dive following the third or fourth movie she'll suddenly be "inspired" to "finish" MS.

You're right about the whole "childish" thing, Peace. 100% correct! But on the whole I think SM is full of crap. I bet that book gets published when she starts to feel that financial pinch.

I also don't see how she can stay employed by a publisher with her "I can only write when the feeling hits" attitude. Um, publishers have money to make and make it on a schedule. Writers won't last long if they can't meet a schedule. Again, I just feel SM is full of crap. I also choose not to believe much of what she said in that interview because I'm a jaded adult. She may be able to pass that story off to starry eyed little kids, but not to someone like me.

Tony, did you actually LIKE the 6th HP movie? I didn't. I was really disappointed. The pace was so slow! And I felt it focused too much on the relationships.

Ballroomdancer13 wrote:

Given my bad experience with The Host, I would not spend the money and buy any of her other books. I'd borrow them from the library. If that means having to wait a few months, then I have to wait a few months. The ghost story sounds like it has potential. The condescension of explaining that mermaids = sirens from SM I don't need. As an educated adult, SM doesn't need to explain that to me. Ugh. That must be another book aimed at youngsters who aren't educated in mythology.

I just wonder how much longer SM thinks she can milk that Twilight cash cow. Maybe when she sees that profits are going to take a nose dive following the third or fourth movie she'll suddenly be "inspired" to "finish" MS.

You're right about the whole "childish" thing, Peace. 100% correct! But on the whole I think SM is full of crap. I bet that book gets published when she starts to feel that financial pinch.

I also don't see how she can stay employed by a publisher with her "I can only write when the feeling hits" attitude. Um, publishers have money to make and make it on a schedule. Writers won't last long if they can't meet a schedule. Again, I just feel SM is full of crap. I also choose not to believe much of what she said in that interview because I'm a jaded adult. She may be able to pass that story off to starry eyed little kids, but not to someone like me.

Tony, did you actually LIKE the 6th HP movie? I didn't. I was really disappointed. The pace was so slow! And I felt it focused too much on the relationships.

Like i said, even in movies 3 and 6, they were struggling, for the most part.Don't let me get started on how i could only stand the final 30 minutes of Movie 5, apart from the scenes of Sirius Black and Ginevra Molly Weasley[despite Wright not having a lot of Ginny's better moments from the novel!]because i don't think i have it in me to carry it out, Dancer.

I thought that's what the Percy Jackson And The Olympians novels, by Rick Riordan, or the Cronus Chronicles by Anne Ursu are for, as far as ancient Olympian Tales are concerned, Dancer, as in what Meyer is trying to do with the tales, lately.

To be fair...i realized i Role-Play best in Winter-Time, but before or after that...my Role-Playing gets disturbingly un-focused, otherwise, Dancer, which is why i strive to get better, so i would be less dependent on Winter-Time, alone.

Hey, guys, let's try to be mature about this and not make it a mud slinging match. Just cause you don't agree doesn't mean you can just insult people. C'mon. Oh, and I'm a fan of lists so please forgive me. I find it's easier to respond to people this way.

1. If someone decided not to be a fan because of Breaking Dawn, well, I think that's just...not on the up-and-up. Sorry you don't agree with how the AUTHOR envisioned the end of the books, but that's just... *shakes head* I don't know how to describe it. It's like all the people who decided they hated Harry Potter after they read #7. If you can't stick with your author, then I guess I don't consider you to have been a real fan in the first place. Same with not liking the MOVIE, which was not written or directed by Stephenie Meyer. It was the artistic interpretation by Melissa Rosenberg and Catherine Hardwicke, not how Stephenie herself saw her books.

2. I'm really sad that fans aren't standing by Stephenie with her decision for Midnight Sun. I'm pretty sure everybody has lost all sense of empathy that they may have once claimed. None of us can possibly imagine being a best-selling author and then having your intellectual property spread all over the world without your permission. Um, I'm totally cool with her needing time to finish the book. I'd rather she took some time off and did it right, rather than rushing to finish it immediately and doing a bad job of it.

3. Stephenie wanted nothing to do with the movie simply because she has no experience in the movie industry. If she had decided to have a bigger role in the movie, she would have caught a bunch of crap BECAUSE she was experience. Therefore, she put the project in other more capable hands. It's a shame, though, that Catherine Hardwicke's vision wasn't really what the fans considered "capable," but that's just opinion.

4. Twilight is NOT a Vampire Academy ripoff. The two series are completely different and they were written roughly at the same time. I doubt very much that either Stephenie or Richelle copied off anyone (I get equally upset when people say Richelle plagiarized. HATE it!), especially each other.

5. Stephenie doesn't have a contract with her publishers for more books like Richelle does. So...yes, she CAN "write when the feeling hits." Not to mention she's made Little & Brown more money than probably any other of their authors so I have the feeling they're not going to be too picky about when and what she writes. She actually can write on a schedule. She finished the Twilight rough draft in only 3 months. It took it such a long time to be published because it took her a while to find a publisher. After that, it was smooth sailing.

7. The explanation about sirens/mermaids was NOT me being condescending so I apologize if that's how you took it. I'm a member of many different message boards with members who range in age from 10 to 60 or so. You'll apologize that I don't know you all as well so I don't know how old you are. Also, I AM educated in mythology. I've taken several classes in it, and I think it sounds cool.

8. HP6 (movie) was good...for the most part. I could have lived without the fight at the Weasleys (WTF?!?!?!) and the lack of fight at Hogwarts. Other than that, I liked it. Everything else stuck to the book (decently, anyway], and I was entertained. I call that a success. But I definitely need to see it again. I only got to see it once.

9. I have the Percy Jackson books but haven't had opportunity to read them yet. Are they really that awesome? There's tons of good publicity for them out there, but I'm a little worried that they won't live up to the hype.

I'm sorry...i guess i was acting like a giant and angered Draco-Phoenix[A Hybrid of a Dragon and a Phoenix, mind you!]who feels like blowing stuff up while blowing some steam.Then again, to be fair, i felt that Vampire Academy was inspired by Cirque Du Freak and the Gemma Doyle Trilogy by Darren Shan and Libba Bray, respectively, and both of them are better than the twilight sequels.

I promise you that you may end up enjoying P.J.A.T.O...my word as someone who can stand Rose and Lissa better than i can stand Bella in the sequels, better yet, my word as just someone who just wants the nightmarish days of the Vampire Sub-Genre not bothering to improve, at all, lately.

Oh, don't get me wrong! I said I like Twilight, not Bella or Kristen Stewart. Bella seems to go, "Hmmm, what's the worst outcome of this situation? Cause I'll do that!" Lol. She's completely ridiculous. But I like the series. I like that it's fantasy, but also realistic at the same time. You feel like it could happen to you. Whereas with VA, you'd have to be born into that world. You know?

knoxdiver wrote:

Oh, don't get me wrong! I said I like Twilight, not Bella or Kristen Stewart. Bella seems to go, "Hmmm, what's the worst outcome of this situation? Cause I'll do that!" Lol. She's completely ridiculous. But I like the series. I like that it's fantasy, but also realistic at the same time. You feel like it could happen to you. Whereas with VA, you'd have to be born into that world. You know?

Well, to be honest, the Percy Jackson And The Olympians novels actually feel that they can happen to you, without being born in the other world in question, and vice-versa, at the same time, Knox, that much i recall.

knoxdiver wrote:

Hey, guys, let's try to be mature about this and not make it a mud slinging match. Just cause you don't agree doesn't mean you can just insult people. C'mon. Oh, and I'm a fan of lists so please forgive me. I find it's easier to respond to people this way.

I feel a need now to defend myself. I did not sling mud at you or anyone in this discussion.

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1. If someone decided not to be a fan because of Breaking Dawn, well, I think that's just...not on the up-and-up. Sorry you don't agree with how the AUTHOR envisioned the end of the books, but that's just... *shakes head* I don't know how to describe it. It's like all the people who decided they hated Harry Potter after they read #7. If you can't stick with your author, then I guess I don't consider you to have been a real fan in the first place. Same with not liking the MOVIE, which was not written or directed by Stephenie Meyer. It was the artistic interpretation by Melissa Rosenberg and Catherine Hardwicke, not how Stephenie herself saw her books.

I never said I wasn't a fan because of Breaking Dawn. I don't see Midnight Sun as a continuation. I see it as a retelling from a different perspective. I also don't see why one has to like EVERYTHING "their author" has ever done. Authors are human and not everything they do will be a smash. I think it's unfair to call someone "not a fan in the first place" because they happened to be disappointed.

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2. I'm really sad that fans aren't standing by Stephenie with her decision for Midnight Sun. I'm pretty sure everybody has lost all sense of empathy that they may have once claimed. None of us can possibly imagine being a best-selling author and then having your intellectual property spread all over the world without your permission. Um, I'm totally cool with her needing time to finish the book. I'd rather she took some time off and did it right, rather than rushing to finish it immediately and doing a bad job of it.

Pfft. Stephenie brought that on herself with her cry-baby attitude. Her wailing about it makes her look like a spoiled child. She's more or less said, "I'm taking my toys and going home". Whatever. That's nursery school crap. If she wants to behave that way, that's fine. I won't support her then. That's my big problem with her. I enjoyed the Twilight books. I was enjoying the chapters of Midnight Sun provided even more. I can also understand needing time to do a book right. But the problem with her was her stinky, whiny attitude. THAT is what I took issue with. Had she simply said, "I intend to finish it sometime, but I need more time to make it extra-special", I could have accepted that.

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4. Twilight is NOT a Vampire Academy ripoff. The two series are completely different and they were written roughly at the same time. I doubt very much that either Stephenie or Richelle copied off anyone (I get equally upset when people say Richelle plagiarized. HATE it!), especially each other.

You're totally right about that one. I don't see any similarities at all other than the books both have vampires as characters.

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5. Stephenie doesn't have a contract with her publishers for more books like Richelle does. So...yes, she CAN "write when the feeling hits." Not to mention she's made Little & Brown more money than probably any other of their authors so I have the feeling they're not going to be too picky about when and what she writes. She actually can write on a schedule. She finished the Twilight rough draft in only 3 months. It took it such a long time to be published because it took her a while to find a publisher. After that, it was smooth sailing.

Wow...that's a pretty sweet deal. Great work if you can get it. It must be real nice to have a schedule based on "Whenever the hell I feel like it".

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7. The explanation about sirens/mermaids was NOT me being condescending so I apologize if that's how you took it. I'm a member of many different message boards with members who range in age from 10 to 60 or so. You'll apologize that I don't know you all as well so I don't know how old you are. Also, I AM educated in mythology. I've taken several classes in it, and I think it sounds cool.

If you read what I wrote carefully, you'll notice that I mentioned that SM was being condescending, not you, personally. I also never said you weren't educated. I intended that there are pre-teens and youngsters who are not who need to have everything dumbed down and explained. I'm not one of those.

In any case, Dancer...i'm still mad at everyone in twilight, for the most part, sadly.

I have Anger Issues, and if they get left unchecked, they will eat me alive.

Dancer, I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree as I don't feel SM has been "whiny" or "crybaby" about Midnight Sun at all. It's the fans making all the fuss. She'd rather just not talk about it all. Also, I don't feel she's being condescending about the mermaids thing. I can't find the article where she first mentioned it, but I'll keep looking. Again, it's the fans who always make the comment mermaids called sirens or something similar.

We need to calm down...can't we just blame both, equally?

Haha, sorry if it seems that way, but this is NOT me not calmed down. Generally if I were more worked up, there would be more caps and I'd be saying things like "Are you SERIOUS?! Like, REALLY?" and I'd just be a jerk. I'm trying not to be all "jump down your throat". I like me some mature adult discussion.

Couldn't we just compare most Vamp-induced Literature to Ancient Peloponessia[which is south from the rest of Greece!]especially to Sparta, for instance?Like with the Vampire Mountain Vamps of Cirque Du Freak, and the Guardians of the Vampire Academy series, for instance?Should the Moroi be the rest of Greece, then?

I can agree to disagree. No problem.

I'm "loyal" to an author until they do something stupid. I may give one more chance for redemption. But if the stupidity continues, they're cut off.

I also just bought the first of the Cirque du Freak books. But that book is in line behind the 7th Morganville book. Another book among my purchases was the first of the Mortal Instruments series. The back cover sounded interesting. I like a good murder mystery with some paranormal thrown in.

Ballroomdancer13 wrote:

I can agree to disagree. No problem.

I'm "loyal" to an author until they do something stupid. I may give one more chance for redemption. But if the stupidity continues, they're cut off.

I also just bought the first of the Cirque du Freak books. But that book is in line behind the 7th Morganville book. Another book among my purchases was the first of the Mortal Instruments series. The back cover sounded interesting. I like a good murder mystery with some paranormal thrown in.

I feel the same kind of way when it comes to Internet Admins, as well, Dancer.
That said, i'm glad that the 7th of the Harry Potter Septimology of novels didn't suck, even though i'm not so glad there wasn't much Ginny on it, until the end, though[at least we got to see Kingsley Shacklebolt, again, but that's not the point! ]

If i had to add anything else, so far, the likes of Rick Riordan and Darren Shan haven't done or inserted anything stupid in their works, so far, yet, so that's something, right?Riordan didn't even insert a single outrightly stupid moment for the Percy Jackson And The Olympians novels, although there's plenty of Brain-Aches in the novels, though[but at least the brain-cells are protected!]But i guess that comes from being a modern-day Olympian Fable, apparently.

I have all the books. Twilight was ok. New Moon was a bit annoying. I liked Eclipse a lot but Breaking Dawn, OMG I couldn't even finish it. I wanted to punch someone I was so mad.

Bella depends too much on Edward. And the way they portray Edward as to being so perfect that was to annoying, I hope that tween and teen girls don't start believing they are going to find a man like that in rl cuz yeah that will never happen. The only thing I liked was Jacob and then Stephenie turns around and makes him imprint on Nessy. Jacob was more real. I liked that he didn't treat Bella like she was going to break if you touched her. Edward was like majorly bugging me about that. Sure she is weaker than him but dang it she ain't made out of paper either. To me it seemed like Edward wanted Bella to be encased in something so nothing ever happens to her but Jacob wanted her to live and have fun and he believed in her strength.

The first movie was horrible. I blame that on the budget. It seems to me they didn't want to spent that much money on it. Some of the actors in there were sooooo bad. And then they go and change it from the books a this people in Hollywood when will they ever learn that people hate that. New Moon was better because they pretty much stuck to story and Edward wasn't in there whinning to Bella with his overprotective rants.