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PostSubject: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 8:23 am

So, I've been catching up on the internet and was on RM's blog. In her blog I learned she has the official page count for Last Sacrifice . The total comes out to 600 pages!
I was so excited to read that. Are you all satisfied with that?
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 10:20 am

WHAT? Is it really that much? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked That's great! Very Happy


Can you post the link to her blog here? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 11:26 am

Seeing how it was suppose to be 496 pages, I'm excited for the extra hundred pages. Yey!
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 1:18 pm

This is the quote from Richelle's blog

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In other news, I'll have some cool info soon for people in Toronto (hopefully early next week), so stay tuned. For news that everyone can enjoy, Last Sacrifice has been typeset, which is when my publisher converts it from my Word document to formatted "book-sized" pages. And how many pages has it come out to? 600! That's the longest in the series so far, clocking in at 153,000 words, for those who track word count. Good times.

Here's the link to her blog.

http://blue-succubus.livejournal.com/

I'm super excited. I'm already thinking of which books to chuck in my closet and out of my shelf to make room for a 600 page book. Lol .
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 2:17 pm

153,000 words!!! That's loads of words for one book, and 600 pages!! Happy reading is all I can say Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 10:46 pm

I hope my copy gets delivered in the morning then I might just be able to finish it in a day. At the same time I want to go slowly because its the last one.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 10:54 pm

I get worried about long books. I mean, I'm excited and happy that LS is going to be so long, but at the same time it always makes me wonder if the author has too much to say in one book or if it'll be dragged out or something. I have faith in Richelle, but at the same time I don't want it to be one of those books that cold have been resolved earlier or has too much for a final book.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeTue Sep 21, 2010 11:23 pm

Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeTue Sep 21, 2010 11:26 pm

L.Dragomir wrote:
Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
Exactly...BD is a prime example of when long books don't work. I'm sure there are some that are pulled off perfectly, but I still get slightly worried.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 12:47 pm

SecretMagic wrote:
L.Dragomir wrote:
Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
Exactly...BD is a prime example of when long books don't work. I'm sure there are some that are pulled off perfectly, but I still get slightly worried.

Yes BD was long and boring .. When I read the book I read all the first part (Bella) then I see "Jacob Book" and I skipped all that book a went directly till Bella again.. time later when I read a fanfiction I found that the Jacob book isn't a side story but part of the BD book..hahaha.. I laughed at myself for been so stupid to skip 1/3 of the book...

But I liked HP 7 , because after all the theories and expeculation in blogs, fanfiction, etc.. all were proven wrong and JK Rowling created a whole new plot to put together all the pieces in the first books and gave us a great long and enjoyable ending... each HP book is longer than the precedent and I enjoyed all of them!!!

I think LS will be that long because there will be a long journey : "escape and/or prove Rose inocence" - "find Lissa's sister/brother" - "changes in the council/laws" - "happy romantic endings", the previous books occurs in a short space of time only a few months... for the journey in LS more space time is required!!

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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 2:34 pm

I can run myself sick with worrying about the book being dragged out because of the 600 page count. I personally hate the snow ball effect...the story goes at a slow set pace and then everything dramatic happens at the end. Then again, i hate when authors build up all the anticaption and then have an anti-climatic ending.I have my concerns but I refuse to let them come forth. I'm just letting the excitement for the book in general take over and put my faith in RM's awesome writing/storying telling. She hasn't let me down yet and i don't expect to be.

LOL at skipping over Jacob's part of BD. I actually told people read book 1 ( bella's first part) and book 2( jacob's part) and then stop reading. I really hated the ending of BD i felt it was anti-climatic. lol.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 4:29 pm

SecretMagic wrote:
L.Dragomir wrote:
Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
Exactly...BD is a prime example of when long books don't work. I'm sure there are some that are pulled off perfectly, but I still get slightly worried.

The Twilight books are all unnecessarily long because Stephenie focuses more on description and repetitive narration than actual action. Richelle Mead's books don't have that same problem of slowing the plot to a snail's pace by adding too much unneeded description. So this news that LS is the longest book in the series doesn't worry me one bit. Richelle has already proven to me that, unlike Stephenie Meyer, she actually knows what she is doing. All of Richelle's series seem to be well-thought out beforehand so I don't think she would write a 600 page book if the story could be concluded in half that amount of pages.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 6:38 pm

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The Twilight books are all unnecessarily long because Stephenie focuses more on description and repetitive narration than actual action.

lol If you cut out every use of the words "dazzling" "murmuring" "marble" and "Edward", there IS no book.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 6:57 pm

I didn't want it to sound like I was only using BD as an example though...sure it's one of the more recent ones, and I guess page count doesn't really matter too much. Like Tasha said, the snowball effect can go either way...sometimes its good and sometimes not.
One of my fave authors is Tamora Pierce, and while her earlier books are fairly small, she's started writing longer ones after the HP books had success being big books. And I've NEVER been bored or disappointed in them. I love them. I'm reading on at the moment which is 596 pages long...and I don't think there's a problem with it. But it's also a stand-alone book (sort of...it is within a series, but the time period makes it by itself) so the story has to develop a bit more and there's a chance for longer plot. But I worry with series books getting bigger all the time, that there's too much happening, especially when it's the final book in the series. HP7 wasn't as big as 5 or 6. It concluded everything really well.
I guess what I'm worried about most is that too much is being slotted into the final book.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 7:02 pm

SecretMagic wrote:
I guess what I'm worried about most is that too much is being slotted into the final book.

I think it was worse with a book like Mockingjay with too much going on and NOT ENOUGH pages. A lot of readers felt it was rushed, and I'd definitely have to agree with them. Some people think her publishers may have even given her a page/word count limit.

I'm personally not too worried about the amount of pages. I'm more concerned if it all flows well as a plot and doesn't feel jumpy. Which LS probably shouldn't because there's more space to reflect on what is happening to the characters.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 7:21 pm

I'm trying not to think about it too much...I don't want to have a thousand expectations
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeWed Sep 22, 2010 9:30 pm

dimkaluv wrote:
extraordinarygirl86 wrote:
The Twilight books are all unnecessarily long because Stephenie focuses more on description and repetitive narration than actual action.

lol If you cut out every use of the words "dazzling" "murmuring" "marble" and "Edward", there IS no book.

That's completely true. Laughing Stephenie really should have stuck to her original plan with the series just being two books. New Moon and Eclipse were really not needed at all. They only prolonged the predictable ending.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSat Sep 25, 2010 2:41 pm

dimkaluv wrote:
extraordinarygirl86 wrote:
The Twilight books are all unnecessarily long because Stephenie focuses more on description and repetitive narration than actual action.

lol If you cut out every use of the words "dazzling" "murmuring" "marble" and "Edward", there IS no book.

Lol, that's right... Laughing

I don't think that LS will be like that... I want to believe it will be just another long book. But we will have a lot of reading to do... Very Happy It better be exciting!
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSat Sep 25, 2010 4:01 pm

I know that last sacrifice will be really good so im glad that it will be 600 pages.
SM did add too much discription to the twilight books and thats why i dont like that series that much. But i do like The Host by her. it's like my favorite book that is not a series. I find it much more entertaining than i did the Twilight sega..
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSat Sep 25, 2010 9:38 pm

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dimkaluv wrote:
extraordinarygirl86 wrote:
The Twilight books are all unnecessarily long because Stephenie focuses more on description and repetitive narration than actual action.

lol If you cut out every use of the words "dazzling" "murmuring" "marble" and "Edward", there IS no book.

Lol, that's right... Laughing

I don't think that LS will be like that... I want to believe it will be just another long book. But we will have a lot of reading to do... Very Happy It better be exciting!

I agree. Unllike,Twilight which is entirely about Edward and Bella, VA features a lot of subplots. So I'm sure the extra length to LS was needed in order to conclude all the plots.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 26, 2010 1:17 pm

You guys are cracking me up. I completely agree about BD. I thought if I have to read dazzling one more time I'm going to have to put the book down. I loved Ecllipse, but could have done without parts of BD. I did not care for the whole baby storyline. I thought there would be a pay off at the end with the big battle scene, but I was disappointed there too.

Vampire Academy books always leave me wanting more. I just hope all of my questions get answered and all the plots get resolved by the end. 600 pages sounds good to me.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 27, 2010 12:17 am

pivia_t wrote:
SecretMagic wrote:
L.Dragomir wrote:
Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
Exactly...BD is a prime example of when long books don't work. I'm sure there are some that are pulled off perfectly, but I still get slightly worried.

Yes BD was long and boring .. When I read the book I read all the first part (Bella) then I see "Jacob Book" and I skipped all that book a went directly till Bella again.. time later when I read a fanfiction I found that the Jacob book isn't a side story but part of the BD book..hahaha.. I laughed at myself for been so stupid to skip 1/3 of the book...

But I liked HP 7 , because after all the theories and expeculation in blogs, fanfiction, etc.. all were proven wrong and JK Rowling created a whole new plot to put together all the pieces in the first books and gave us a great long and enjoyable ending... each HP book is longer than the precedent and I enjoyed all of them!!!

I think LS will be that long because there will be a long journey : "escape and/or prove Rose inocence" - "find Lissa's sister/brother" - "changes in the council/laws" - "happy romantic endings", the previous books occurs in a short space of time only a few months... for the journey in LS more space time is required!!


HP 7 was a really good last book. I think most books end pretty well. Twilight is the exception.

How Twilight should've been concluded.
At the end of Eclipse there should've been a wedding.
Then there should've been an epilogue occuring years later where SM could've told us about Nessie (and her being with Jacob {its still seems weird to me}) and everyone living happily ever after. She finished BD in a weird place.
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PostSubject: Re: LS page count    LS page count  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 27, 2010 12:47 am

L.Dragomir wrote:
pivia_t wrote:
SecretMagic wrote:
L.Dragomir wrote:
Or is an unecessary extentsion ie Breaking Dawn.
Exactly...BD is a prime example of when long books don't work. I'm sure there are some that are pulled off perfectly, but I still get slightly worried.

Yes BD was long and boring .. When I read the book I read all the first part (Bella) then I see "Jacob Book" and I skipped all that book a went directly till Bella again.. time later when I read a fanfiction I found that the Jacob book isn't a side story but part of the BD book..hahaha.. I laughed at myself for been so stupid to skip 1/3 of the book...

But I liked HP 7 , because after all the theories and expeculation in blogs, fanfiction, etc.. all were proven wrong and JK Rowling created a whole new plot to put together all the pieces in the first books and gave us a great long and enjoyable ending... each HP book is longer than the precedent and I enjoyed all of them!!!

I think LS will be that long because there will be a long journey : "escape and/or prove Rose inocence" - "find Lissa's sister/brother" - "changes in the council/laws" - "happy romantic endings", the previous books occurs in a short space of time only a few months... for the journey in LS more space time is required!!


HP 7 was a really good last book. I think most books end pretty well. Twilight is the exception.

How Twilight should've been concluded.
At the end of Eclipse there should've been a wedding.
Then there should've been an epilogue occuring years later where SM could've told us about Nessie (and her being with Jacob {its still seems weird to me}) and everyone living happily ever after. She finished BD in a weird place.

For me, Jacob imprinting on Renesmee was one of the things that ruined Breaking Dawn. Jacob should have imprinted on Leah. The Renesmee/Jacob pairing just felt more like Stephenie's attempt to give Bella everything she wanted. Bella was able to become a vampire without making any of the sacrifices Stephenie emphasized numerous times would happen in every single book. I consider establishing rules you don't intend to follow through on to be pretty poor writing.

And with Renesmee, I didn't really have an issue with Bella and Edward having a child. I just didn't like how that plot was completely out of left field. Bella (and Edward) never gave any indication that she wanted to have a child. Personally, I think the Breaking Dawn would have been far better if Stephenie had gave it more of an open ending by concluding it with Bella and Edward's wedding so the readers could make up their own story as to happened to the characters after.
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