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jedibarrister Admin
Posts : 300 Join date : 2008-12-31
| Subject: Why was Spirit forgotten? Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:35 am | |
| I don't have the books anymore (library loan) but why is it that all the vampires had forgotten that Spirit was an element? Or was it that no one ever knew it was an element? | |
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Hanner
Posts : 142 Join date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:21 pm | |
| I think no one really ever knew about it. Like Vladimir. I don't think anyone ever really put it together when he was alive. And before Lissa and Adrian all the other spirit users either didn't know what spirit was or kept it hidden... I think. | |
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jedibarrister Admin
Posts : 300 Join date : 2008-12-31
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:51 pm | |
| I have a vague recollection that once the Moroi decided to turn pacifist, they lost touch with some of their abilities and knowledge base. | |
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blondestrigoi
Posts : 12 Join date : 2009-04-16 Age : 33 Location : somewhere
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:21 pm | |
| spirt is reallt rare so not many people know about it. maybe people knew about it before but now they completely forgot about it | |
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Hanner
Posts : 142 Join date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:09 pm | |
| Although, now that Adrian and Lissa have put their powers out in the open (after the attack) do you think there will be an increase in the number of spirit users? B/c didn't alot of them just think their powers never really developed? | |
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jedibarrister Admin
Posts : 300 Join date : 2008-12-31
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:57 am | |
| Exactly. They should check the Moroi Sanitarium. Half the residents may be Spirit users. | |
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Crystal Rose
Posts : 2 Join date : 2009-02-16
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:55 pm | |
| I think that it was to powerful so they forgot about it on perpose because you can see into there heads while they dream heal and alot of other stuff | |
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marya_badica
Posts : 7 Join date : 2009-05-09 Age : 29 Location : St Vlads... Montana... Of course
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Sat May 09, 2009 9:47 pm | |
| Well my guess is that it was always the least popular element. Say only 1 out of 10 moroi used spirit maybe. So I guess it is possible that it may have gradualy become even less specialised to the point that it was forgotten.
That is about as good as my guess gets. | |
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DhampirLoveInterest
Posts : 60 Join date : 2009-06-08 Location : Biting my fingernails while trying to figure out the future.
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:48 pm | |
| Lol. I love the comment about the Sanitarium. And I couldn't agree more. They should now add it. Probably half the people that 'didnt have powers' were spirit.. Okay, maybe not half but some of them. They might not be as great as Lissa or Adrian, but who cares? They DID specialize. I agree with the statement, also, that since it was so rare that might be a factor of why over time it faded out. | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:31 pm | |
| I think the reason it was forgotten was because it was so rare. I know they now have something to look for, a sign that someone has Spirit (not specialising), but it seems as though that can't be the only sign. Then again, maybe not. I like the idea of checking the Sanitarium, they might indeed find some Spirit users in there, but we can't assume every crazy person has Spirit. Some spirit users are likely to be living full lives, Adrian proves that; he found a way to battle depression and the craziness without having a shadow-kissed friend; so who's to say there aren't others out there?
My guess is that it's extremely hard to find. Not all spirit users develop the same powers at the same stages, so while one can heal or walk through dreams etc., it'd be hard to identify. And the extra Compulsion abilities could just be seen as normal, especially if these people didn't have another power. They have nothing else, so all their energy can go into compulsion. I also wonder whether Spirit has different levels of strength. Are Adrian, Lissa, Ms. Karp and St. Vladamir the exceptions, or are all Spirit users that strong? And was Spirit ever all that well known to be forgotten in the first place? You'd think that if there was a 5th element then it would have been written down enough to follow throughout history. The other elements were continued and well researched. It had to have been a really rare element to be forgotten. | |
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Hanner
Posts : 142 Join date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:26 am | |
| - SecretMagic wrote:
- Not all spirit users develop the same powers at the same stages.
That's true because even Lissa and Adrian don't have the same sort of powers. Like Lissa can heal things better than Adrian can and Adrian can go into peoples dreams. So it might make it harder to determine who is a spirit user if there aren't specific traits they can look for... | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:01 pm | |
| - Hanner wrote:
- SecretMagic wrote:
- Not all spirit users develop the same powers at the same stages.
That's true because even Lissa and Adrian don't have the same sort of powers. Like Lissa can heal things better than Adrian can and Adrian can go into peoples dreams. So it might make it harder to determine who is a spirit user if there aren't specific traits they can look for... Exactly, although I suppose it might be easier with a sober Adrian around considering his and Lissa's auras are both Gold. If they came across someone who might be a spirit user they could put them in front of Adrian and if the aura is gold then you've got yourself a Spirit user. | |
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Tonystark616
Posts : 3000 Join date : 2009-05-09 Age : 32 Location : At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:32 pm | |
| We need more info on what else Spirit-Wielders are capable of, since they all start with a different Spirit Ability, apart from detecting Auras, at least! | |
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Peace love n VA
Posts : 2298 Join date : 2009-09-28 Age : 36 Location : New York
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:23 pm | |
| My theory about the way spirit works is simple. Spirit has different abilities and it manifests differently in each person. They are all capable of doing the same things and can achieve it to some extent but are extremely powerful or gifted in one area or aspect.
For instance, ( without spoilers)
Adrian has his strong suits while Lissa has her. | |
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Tonystark616
Posts : 3000 Join date : 2009-05-09 Age : 32 Location : At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm | |
| - Peace love n VA wrote:
- My theory about the way spirit works is simple. Spirit has different abilities and it manifests differently in each person. They are all capable of doing the same things and can achieve it to some extent but are extremely powerful or gifted in one area or aspect.
For instance, ( without spoilers)
Adrian has his strong suits while Lissa has hers. Like how Lissa is a better healer and ressurecter without Necromancy than Adrian, yet Adrian is a better Aura-senser than Lissa is, right? | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:56 pm | |
| - Peace love n VA wrote:
- My theory about the way spirit works is simple. Spirit has different abilities and it manifests differently in each person. They are all capable of doing the same things and can achieve it to some extent but are extremely powerful or gifted in one area or aspect.
For instance, ( without spoilers)
Adrian has his strong suits while Lissa has her. I get what you're saying but (and I hate to argue everyone's theories) I don't think that works all that well SHADOW KISS & BLOOD PROMISE SPOILERS: - Spoiler:
I'm guessing you're pointing towards the whole Avery & compulsion thing, and I think I've said it before somewhere on the site, but I believe Lissa's just as powerful in compulsion. Remember in SK when Lissa's being attacked by the Mana, and she uses her super-compulsion on Jesse? That had to take some pretty powerful compulsion, unless that's not actually compulsion but another odd spirit power in which case Lissa has two strong powers? And Both Avery and Lissa managed to bring people back from the dead, Avery more than Lissa (unless you count the raven) so which one was "stronger" in the healing and compulsion side of things. And in Avery's case she was also able to project herself into the minds of others, like Oksana. I think that spirit users may develop different powers at different times, but I'm not so into the one strong power theory....just that because one power turns up earlier than the others the spirit user has the time to develop more control over the first power and then has to learn to control the others once they turn up.
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Tonystark616
Posts : 3000 Join date : 2009-05-09 Age : 32 Location : At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
| Subject: Re: Why was Spirit forgotten? Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:01 pm | |
| This...is so messed up, Kim! This is as messed up as me realizing my ancestrial roots are scattered, all over the place, Kim. | |
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SecretMagic
Posts : 3290 Join date : 2009-06-11 Location : Australia
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