The Murderer.

I think Ambrosia killed the queen. He wasn't happy with the queens decision to lower the age for graduation. He obviously couldn't have done this in the heat of the moment because by stealing Rose's stake it was premeditated murder. What also bothers me is the note he passed to Rose. In the note, the queen knew she was probably going to die, but if she really wrote it then why didn't she take extra pro cautions against such attack. The fact that she was murdered in her bedroom makes him even a stronger suspect. How many others would have access to her bedroom. The fact that she was in bed suggests she wasn't concerned with who it was so she must have trusted them. Either the Queen herself really did write that note or Ambrosia really doesn't want Rose to be found guilty so he is helping her find Lissa's sibling so she can be on the council and hopefully becoming queen and stop Rose from being executed. Obviously, Rose is going to get away to Vegas, probably with Abe's help because Rhonda spoke of her flight. Ambrosia knew this so he knew she would get away. I think we will see Victor again in Vegas and I also believe that this secret child will be a spirit user as well. So what do you think?

Another thing just came to me. Don't you find it weird that Ambrosia was gone from the Court right when the files were stolen from the Alchemists? Hmmmm

I don't think it's Ambrose. That would be far too obvious. Being against the Queen's ruling to lower the graduation age is not enough motive. Most dhampirs and some Moroi were angered by the Tatiana's ruling so he would need more motive than that to kill the woman he loves.

My first guess was Tasha, but now I'm starting to wonder if it was Mia. She really hated Rose when shew as at the Academy. Maybe her "friendship" with Rose and Lissa is just a charade.

extraordinarygirl86 wrote:

My first guess was Tasha, but now I'm starting to wonder if it was Mia. She really hated Rose when shew as at the Academy. Maybe her "friendship" with Rose and Lissa is just a charade.

Hm... that's an interesting thought. I'll have to go back and read it more carefully. But when Rose had her tarot reading, didn't the cards show that she had an enemy, a woman: clever, witty and ambitious? So we should look for a woman who framed Rose?
Also, I'm mystified by her last tarot card: the Page of Cups. It could be a man or a woman accompanying her on or being the reason for her journey. So I presume it's a journey where Rose heads out to try and find Lissa's sibling. But will she be freed from the accusations or will she manage to escape from her imprisonment? Any ideas?

dbelikova wrote:

extraordinarygirl86 wrote:

My first guess was Tasha, but now I'm starting to wonder if it was Mia. She really hated Rose when shew as at the Academy. Maybe her "friendship" with Rose and Lissa is just a charade.

Hm... that's an interesting thought. I'll have to go back and read it more carefully. But when Rose had her tarot reading, didn't the cards show that she had an enemy, a woman: clever, witty and ambitious? So we should look for a woman who framed Rose?
Also, I'm mystified by her last tarot card: the Page of Cups. It could be a man or a woman accompanying her on or being the reason for her journey. So I presume it's a journey where Rose heads out to try and find Lissa's sibling. But will she be freed from the accusations or will she manage to escape from her imprisonment? Any ideas?

Knowing Rose, she'll probably stage an escape so she can find Lissa's sibling. She'll probably see her wait in jail before her trial as her last chance to unite Lissa with her sibling.

Didn't Rhonda say it could be a man or woman? Why is Ambrosia even a character in the book then? He really doesn't play that big a role. That's why it caught my attention. Also the person who killed her must have been a dhampire. Remember how much trouble Lissa had staking Dimitri? I think that was a clue. Also they would be able to tell from the wound what kind of force was put into it and if it was one clean stab to the heart. Obviously they knew what they were doing. I mean Rose wasn't even sure where the heart was in the first book. This person was trained. Who else would be in her bedroom without suspicion??

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Remember how much trouble Lissa had staking Dimitri? I think that was a clue. Also they would be able to tell from the wound what kind of force was put into it and if it was one clean stab to the heart. Obviously they knew what they were doing.

That doesn't mean the killer can't be a moroi. If it's a moroi it's possible he or she has taken lessons in staking. We know some moroi feel they should be fighting alongside dhampirs so it wouldn't be that far-fetched to believe that some of the moroi are secretly learning some fighting moves. It's also possible there was more than one person involved in the murder. Maybe a moroi planned the whole thing but a dhampir did the actual killing.

As I stated before, though, I don't think the killer is going to be Ambrose since he was probably the first suspect everyone automatically thought of when the queen died.

I read the book again and it got me thinking: what if the murderer is Adrian's mother, Daniella?

I mean, she was very particular about the time - she kept asking Adrian if he knew exactly when he'd joined Rose. Had the exact time of the murder been established by then? So soon after? And was it common knowledge?

And then she was very reluctant Rose should get the family lawyer, Damon. But once she'd made sure Damon was going to take on Rose she was very reluctant to let Abe take over. Had she told Damon to do something? Made up some kind of plan?

Also, do we know anything about Daniella? I assume she is Royal too, her family I mean. Have I perhaps missed reading about her in one of the previous books? We know that her husband is closely related to the Queen, but what about Daniella? What are her origins? And ambitions?

Also, I'm not entirely comfortable with her indifferent or almost positive attitude towards Adrian and Rose's relationship. I know that she is probably expecting him to choose a Moroi girl, and preferably a royal one, when he eventually settles down and that Rose is just a fling. But still...

The reason I don't think the murderer is Tasha is that there has already been treachery in that family, with Christian's parents betraying their own race. It would be too obvious if it is again the Ozeras that are the traitors.

These are just my thoughts at the moment. I can't wait to read what Richelle has in store for us. I'm sure it will come as a very big surprise whoever the murderer is. Also the motives for the killing of Tatiana.

I agree with dbelikova
I would be surprised if it wasnt Adrians mother. Its wierd that she is the only one ok with Adrian and Rose. And she was freaking out when she found out that adrian was with rose that night. Plus she didnt want the family lawyer defending her she didnt think it a good idea for her family showing support for Rose. Nobody would suspect her.

It Was A Moroi From The Court The Strigoi Compelled Him To Do It And Frame Rose x

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So, I just finished Spirit Bound last night and felt the need to chime in on this discussion :-)

I think one thing we need to think about here is motivation. I mean, out of all the people that the murderer could have framed...why did they pick Rose? This simplest thing to do here would have been to just kill Tatiana, ditch the evidence, and get the heck out of there. Why bother to take the time to frame someone? The fact that someone chose Rose indicates that there is something going on a personal level with the murder.

My first thought after I read the book was that Tasha was the killer. If we go by Rhonda's description of Rose's enemy from the Tarot reading, you will see that Tasha is all of those things: "Clever," "Thrives on knowledge," "Can outwit her enemies," "Smart," "Trying to get her way...but she's doing it through insincere ways." Rose remarks at one point while Tasha isn't as cold as Tatiana, she certainly recognized weaknesses in the political system and knew when to capitalize on them---and that includes playing on the personal weaknesses of the people who lost loved ones to the Strigoi. Seems pretty insincere to me.

As far as Tasha's motivation goes it could be purely political. Rose has always been a bit of a mover and a shaker, but with Tatiana using her as a sort of figurehead to tip the age-decree in her favor---well Rose's political value just shot way up. So, if Rose were to be unjustly executed for the Queens murder, Tasha would have the perfect Martyr to solidify her political strategy and with Lissa's backing--she'd be golden. I think other motivations for Tasha could include anger over losing Dimitri and the fact that Moroi royalty has treated her like garbage for years over an issue that she had no control over.

As far as other suspects go. I do agree that Daniella could be one. Her motivation? She might not like the idea of Adrian being with a dhampir and the fact that the Queen seems to condone the relationship could have pushed her over the edge. Remember that Rose remarked that Daniella's acceptance of her relationship with Adrian just seemed strange. That and the fact that Daniella has never made her political affiliations known. Remember also that it was Daniella that invited Rose to the "late cocktail party" on Adrian's behalf---and Rose forgot to go because she fell asleep. If Rose had shown up to the cocktail party that would mean that her room was vacant--enabling the murderer to steal Rose's stake and kill the Queen with it. Obviously the murder didn't happen that night, but it gives you something to think about. I don't really know if I believe that Daniella could have committed the murder herself though. It seems to me that as high up as the Ivashkov's are, she would probably have someone else doing her dirty work.

Someone like Tasha maybe? Again, Tasha is good at exploiting peoples personal weaknesses...she could have gone to Daniella and played on the fact that Adrian is getting serious with Rose. Plus, Daniella would have VERY easy access to the Queen. No one would question her if she went to see the queen, but I'm sure that the Guardians would remember her coming to visit. But, since she's Moroi royalty, I'm sure Daniella is aware of any secret passageways running underneath the court. It would seem like in the event of an attack there would be some sort of tunnel or panic room or something leading from Tatiana's room that would enable the Guardians to get her out quickly and easily. Since Tatiana is an Ivashkov it would make sense that her family would know about it. So, yeah, Daniella is definitely a suspect, but unless some sort of political thing tips into it with her, I don't see why she would go through the trouble of framing Rose just to get her away from Adrian.


The murderer could also be Adrian himself. Spirit has been known to make him a bit crazy. On one side of the spectrum, jealousy over Rose and Dimitri could have pushed him over the edge. If we approach it from a different direction it could be the fact that he's in love with Rose would weigh on how he felt about the Queen tipping the vote for the age decree. Could have made him feel betrayed. He also had access to Rose's room on several occasions...he could have swiped her stake at any time.


I know that Ambrose is the obvious choice, but he seems a little too obvious. Of course, that may be reason enough not to discount his involvement.


Honestly, the thing I can't decide is whether or not the killer is a single person acting alone or a group.


What do you guys think?

I dont think its Victor or Nathan ( as they suspect ) its too obvious. For me its rather DANIELLA ( maybe she has some secrets to be revealed) or Adrian (Just a Hint)

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Another thing just came to me. Don't you find it weird that Ambrosia was gone from the Court right when the files were stolen from the Alchemists? Hmmmm

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