Dragomirs and Blacks

Tonystark and I were considering how similar The Dragomirs from Vampire Academy and The Blacks from Harry Potter are. Not in the sense that they're both good, or that they have same names or something, but that they're polar-opposites of each other with the same sort of fame in each series respectfully.

So give your opinions. If you're a Harry Potter fan and recognise that there are similarities or if you disagree, tell us.

If we have to see the Dragomir Bloodline as an Ivory White Dragon, then we would have to see the Black Family Tree as basically a large Black Dragon, in that instance, since it helps to emphasize how polar-opposing they really are, from what i can figure.

In any case, it's quite clear that the Dragomir Bloodline would have The Angel Princess Lissa Dragomir as a beacon of everything right about the bloodline that those of Dragomir Blood would gladly stand for.

If the Blacks ever hope to have an angel who's trapped in the body of a magic-wielder, enough to redeem them, then one of their own kindred should end up turning into a full-blooded Vamp or something like that, and start having a half-vampiric daughter who's more than just eye-candy, or else if there are any survivors left after the novels, they won't be remembered for good reasons at all, would they?

If you had a female representative of the Blacks (to parallel Lissa) it would have to be Bellatrix, don't you think? She embodies everything Black and in the eyes of all the pure Blacks she'd be doing everything that made them happy and proud.

SecretMagic wrote:

If you had a female representative of the Blacks (to parallel Lissa) it would have to be Bellatrix, don't you think? She embodies everything Black and in the eyes of all the pure Blacks she'd be doing everything that made them happy and proud.

If you mean in making her family proud, perhaps, but if you're talking about in conscience or the welfare of humanity, then no, in a way, for some reason or another, unless it's to emphasize the polar opposite-ness that the families would possess.

Oddly enough, if the Blacks truly had someone who's as angelic and human as Lissa Dragomir, i know of a few R.P witches who might be such a result, if you care to take a look at Hogwarts Students, but otherwise, that's not the point, isn't it?

At any rate, i wonder if the Dragomirs generally had scumbags for relatives, aside from Christian, of course, since it doesn't look like their cousins are likable, in general, are they?

I just meant on the Black's side they'd believe Bellatrix was the perfect child/advocate of their cause. The opposite of Lissa but essentially with the same family honour.

I'm almost certain they'd have a few people who weren't exactly good (in a Lissa sense of the word). You can't have a perfect family. It doesn't work that way. The Blacks are a very good example of that. They thought everyone would see the world the exact way they did: pure-bloods ruling, muggles nothing but scum. But not all of their family wanted to follow their ideals blindly and it resulted in people like Sirius and Andromeda and the uncle who left Sirius all his money (which I can't remember the name of at the moment). They're wiped off the tree and essentially "forgotten", but no-one's going to completely forget where they came from or what they did to be removed from the family (ie. love a muggle or turn out to be completely good). The Dragomirs would certainly have those who weren't all there, so to speak.

SecretMagic wrote:

I just meant on the Black's side they'd believe Bellatrix was the perfect child/advocate of their cause. The opposite of Lissa but essentially with the same family honour.

I'm almost certain they'd have a few people who weren't exactly good (in a Lissa sense of the word). You can't have a perfect family. It doesn't work that way. The Blacks are a very good example of that. They thought everyone would see the world the exact way they did: pure-bloods ruling, muggles nothing but scum. But not all of their family wanted to follow their ideals blindly and it resulted in people like Sirius and Andromeda and the uncle who left Sirius all his money (which I can't remember the name of at the moment). They're wiped off the tree and essentially "forgotten", but no-one's going to completely forget where they came from or what they did to be removed from the family (ie. love a muggle or turn out to be completely good). The Dragomirs would certainly have those who weren't all there, so to speak.

Don't forget about Regulus, as he snapped out of it, as well, you know.

What about Cedrella Black, the Weasley Siblings' grandmother, for that matter?Don't forget about her, as well.

If there were any surviving direct descendants of the Black Family Tree, most of them would have disowned the tree, anyway, right?

Yes, but it was a delayed reaction with Regulus. We know in hindsight that he snapped out of it, but his name would still be on the tree. But that moment in time his mother and father were both dead and there was no-one in the Black Manor to burn his face off.

SecretMagic wrote:

Yes, but it was a delayed reaction with Regulus. We know in hindsight that he snapped out of it, but his name would still be on the tree. But that moment in time his mother and father were both dead and there was no-one in the Black Manor to burn his face off.

In any case, if there are actually other survivors of the tree, as well, then at this point, they might have taken up other last names, just to hide their birth last name, hoping to disown the Black Family Legacy, correct?

You'd think they would, or they might just go into hiding. In anycase, some might not be directly a "black", they might have married into another family and be a decendent of sorts, though if they married into another family with Black blood they could once again (somewhere down the track) be pure "black" again. (like with Christian and Lissa being able to label any future kids as "Dragomir")

SecretMagic wrote:

You'd think they would, or they might just go into hiding. In anycase, some might not be directly a "black", they might have married into another family and be a decendent of sorts, though if they married into another family with Black blood they could once again (somewhere down the track) be pure "black" again. (like with Christian and Lissa being able to label any future kids as "Dragomir")

Perhaps you're right about that, but that's pretty much up to Old-Owlhead J.K.R to write on whether or not that would happen, as she mentioned Teddy Lupin with Victorie Weasley and her relatives, all of whom had Black Family Blood in their veins, you know...so..that means it could happen and the Blacks could one day be reborn?Maybe for the better?

At last, the Blacks have hope in this world, after all.

haha, that would be pretty cool if Teddy and Victorie were the starters of a new generation of Blacks.

SecretMagic wrote:

haha, that would be pretty cool if Teddy and Victorie were the starters of a new generation of Blacks.

And if it's not them and they still have children, anyway, then they could at least end up as the forefathers, or at least the fathers or grandfathers of the new generation of Blacks, in that case?

exactly. And Teddy would get a family in the process. I know he has his grandmother and Harry, but it's not the same. I was so annoyed that he lost his family (like harry) before he had a chance to know them.

SecretMagic wrote:

exactly. And Teddy would get a family in the process. I know he has his grandmother and Harry, but it's not the same. I was so annoyed that he lost his family (like harry) before he had a chance to know them.

Don't forget about his godmother, Ginny, who's also another of his cousins, right, S.M?

yeah, I know Teddy had Ginny too, but at the same time she wouldn't have been his godmother until they got married, and I honestly don't know how long it took them to tie the knot. but on the other hand, at least Teddy had someone, unlike Lissa who lost all family members (and even close relatives, aka. Victor). I know she had Rose, but now I'm guessing she feels pretty abandoned what with Rose picking Dimitri over her.

SecretMagic wrote:

yeah, I know Teddy had Ginny too, but at the same time she wouldn't have been his godmother until they got married, and I honestly don't know how long it took them to tie the knot. but on the other hand, at least Teddy had someone, unlike Lissa who lost all family members (and even close relatives, aka. Victor). I know she had Rose, but now I'm guessing she feels pretty abandoned what with Rose picking Dimitri over her.

I wonder if it means that Victorie Weasley is supposed to help save the Black Family Tree, should Teddy be the one to marry and do the naughty with her, and then after that, if there are any more Blacks that would come after the process, then it would mean that they would have to worry about redeeming the Black Family Tree, completely, as they would have to start with a clean slate on their hands?

I have no idea. Personally I don't think Teddy and Victorie would be the ones to re-form the Black family, they're both too good. But Scorpius and one of either little Lily or little Rose might have a better chance. They'll both have Black blood and could perhaps be swayed because of Draco's history.

SecretMagic wrote:

I have no idea. Personally I don't think Teddy and Victorie would be the ones to re-form the Black family, they're both too good. But Scorpius and one of either little Lily or little Rose might have a better chance. They'll both have Black blood and could perhaps be swayed because of Draco's history.

Well, unless we have considered other options apart from Teddy and Victorie, or Scorpius and either Lily or Rose, then there's no other way to restore the Black Family Tree, and then redeem the tree and rid it of its deplorable legacy, right?

yep, I think that's their only options. And I doubt too many of them would want to be a "Black" if they can't keep the history that made them that way.

SecretMagic wrote:

yep, I think that's their only options. And I doubt too many of them would want to be a "Black" if they can't keep the history that made them that way.

I didn't say that they shouldn't keep the history that made them that way, S.M, i was hoping that they would have kept it and find some way to learn from the errors of their fore-fathers, somehow, and then with the means to not repeat their forefathers' mistakes, they should be able to redeem the Black Family Tree, one day, right?

but still, in order to keep the name you'd have to be able to display your past (at least in the magical world where pasts often define who someone is), and how do you do that while trying to be good if all your past rests in the hands of evil?

SecretMagic wrote:

but still, in order to keep the name you'd have to be able to display your past (at least in the magical world where pasts often define who someone is), and how do you do that while trying to be good if all your past rests in the hands of evil?

I know that there's some way to be able to do that, S.M, i'm sure of it, but for now, i'll settle for having them learn from most of the family members whose photos were burned off, no matter how much that should not have happened, and then go and see where they can carry on, from there, if it helps, S.M.

Not the best course of action they should take that i could think of, but for now that should be enough until further notice.

At least it's something. Something is always better than nothing.

SecretMagic wrote:

At least it's something. Something is always better than nothing.

Ain't that the truth, Kim?
I am beginning to wish that the Earlier members of the Black Family Tree had honestly shared the Dragomir Line's common sense, at this point, Kim.

Tonystark616 wrote:

SecretMagic wrote:

At least it's something. Something is always better than nothing.

Ain't that the truth, Kim?
I am beginning to wish that the Earlier members of the Black Family Tree had honestly shared the Dragomir Line's common sense, at this point, Kim.

Do i have to add anything else to say?